Taiga from Pittsburgh Modular

Richard has said a few places that the VRL2 will be a much bigger (180HP) instrument with a controller

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Ah, thanks for that information - sounds even more exciting!

Could potentially be fixed in an update, but I doubt it would be.

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And another no talking demo with different patches for Ambient, Techno and Electronica

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Malekko Manther (stand-alone groovebox version) has a wavefolder and patch memory

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Danngg I didn’t realize that…but yep, there it is, TRI FOLD (also assignable to other VCO waveforms, which is sweet)

Thanks for that! So the question is: Manther or Taiga + Some sort of patch memory module like Polyend Preset or Voltage Block? :thinking:

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All wavefolders sound much different, I wouldn’t base a purchase off of it had one… some synth’s pulse width can sound as wavefoldy as anything…lol.
If you want a really great wavefolder, I would say the one on the taiga is of an incredible quality… I’m sure it will sound much more alive and interesting then the one on the manther will. Arturia synth’s have them too btw.
For that price have you thought about a digitone? That may be the king of wavefolders.

It sounds lush, I loved my SV-1 (a) and refused to send it back for the fix (as it was an early unit that had weird soft-sync and apparently wobbly tracking). It sounded great, I only changed as I was FMing the osc’s so much I went down the Complex Osc route. I would love one of these…

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I decided to put one of these on pre-order through Thomann which is currently listing them as a week out. That may be optimistic, but there’s no great rush.

I’ve sort of come to the conclusion that modular for me will make more sense if I use it to augment ā€œinstrumentsā€ that have a logic to them as opposed to creating fully modular instruments. Taiga will be my first go at this concept. I’m going to use it in an Intellijel case I’ve been making poor use of with some modules I’ve already got on hand that will provide a lot of options for modulation, among other things. The only things I feel like I’m really missing from the case are more Logic related modules and some interesting effects.

If they ever offer a silver faceplate replacement, I’m all over it.

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It’s not a wavefold knob type of implementation but you can do the same sort of wavefolding you’d do on say, an SY77 with 0hz carriers using the Motas-6. The carrier oscillator/s can be set to an ā€˜infrasonic’ mode then phase modulated for those sorts of tones.

I think the Monologue does some sort of wavefolding too? It’s been a long time since I had one though.

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Have you got a Motas? Not spoken with many who do

Yeah the wave folding on the Motas is cool but it’s a shame the carrier doesn’t go to true 0hz, there’s always movement which makes the harmonics a little less clear which is a cool effect too but it’d be nice to have the option.

The alternative is you go the other way and go ultrasonic which has more static sound but then has a slight grit to it’s sound which again is cool but also would be cool to have the option to not have… the Motas is awesome with its wavefolding in that you can combine it with all its other features to get results you wouldn’t be able to get with any other synth that has wavefolding and yeah it’s nice to be able to save patches.

Monologues wavefolding is very limited

I had a look at the Motas features and don’t see anything about wavefolding, but see there’s phase modulation of some oscillators and what they call vector morphing, which does sound very cool:

ā€œThere are 5 instant-access patches available at any time (in RAM memory). In vector morphing mode dual external controllers allow the active patch to morph in 2-dimensions between the first 4 presets.ā€

There’s no wavefolding on the monologue (nor minilogue), they have waveshaping, but again that’s something different from wavefolding.

I don’t know of any fixed-architecture analogue synths (perhaps some Buchlas?) that have wavefolding.

The Norand Mono is analogue and has through-zero FM. I don’t know of other fixed architecture analogues with patch memory and TZFM.

The wavefolding on the Motas was something that I discovered that could be done by repurposing the PM circuit after reading about achieving wavefolding with 0hz carrier on the digitone, I spoke with Jon (the designer) about this and we came up with the ideas of making infrasonic and ultrasonic modes for the carrier oscillators a possibility through firmware instead of having to do it the hacky way I’d originally been doing it.

It’s not an advertised feature as it wasn’t intended to be there but it is wavefolding as you’d find in other synths… wavefolding is just a type of waveshaping ultimately and what you get with the triangle wave on the monologue is a very limited folding.

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Very cool. From listening to Motas demos it sounds really good.

I’m not sure this is entirely correct. Sure, wavefolding changes the shape, but it turns a wave in on itself, possibly many times, creating multiple waves from a single wave, whereas waveshapers typically reshape a single wave into another single wave.

In this vid from three minutes there’s an explanation of wavefolding with oscilloscope:

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Majella Implexus has wavefolding for its ā€œcomplex oscillatorā€.

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Another really good sounding and deeply flexible synth in production! But no patch saving for @RhythmDroid

Yeah, I think I posted in the thread on here when I bought it. Your videos etc. made it less of a leap of faith than it otherwise would’ve been!

Mine’s been a bit poorly recently unfortunately, kind of tossing up what to do about that at the moment but we’re going a bit OT here I guess :slight_smile:

Oh damn, what’s up with it?

And oh yeah, I thought that mightve been the case as your name was familiar