I want to take a closer look at the Deluge now to decide whether to keep it or sell it.
Sampling, kits, synth engine are pretty secondary. All I really need is proper midi sequencing functionality… Let’s see if the Deluge scores more points there than my RM1X. It doesn’t have midi effects, but I need a central sequencer in my home studio.
How is Deluge doing compared to Oxi One or Hapax Sequencer midiwise?
Any experience?
Personally I own hapax , they are just different enough to have different results.
I made a series on hapax and tons on deluge sequencing feel free to look it over.
I personally think if you have to choose one I would recommend deluge. But I work a certain way and not sure what advantages really - all have shortcuts and different operations and functions so you’ll just have to relearn the interface if you wanted to swap for hapax. Plus the pads deluge’s are the absolute best.
just my opinions 
at least relative to Hapax 2.0 now with it’s added MIDI fx features (Echo, Routing) Deluge feels like it’s falling further behind on the MIDI sequencing side. so much of the community open source adds have been to the audio (from what i can tell in the notes and videos – still not comfortable switching yet) features, understandably. but just playing around with the Hapax’s Echo FX last night got me back in love with just how great all the MIDI composition workflow is. if Squarp would just add an arranger view to the Song mode . . .
Just curious , I have not even dived in to the midi fx , do you use it all of the time? I’m sure they will eventually add more stuff on deluge midi, but I don’t feel lacking. What midi fx do you use often on hapax?
Hapax has deeper arpeggiator modes, MIDI delay now, Euclidean FX is more robust, the whole assignability of MIDI LFOs to any patch parameter or other MIDI FX, swing FX per track instead of a single global swing percentage. etc. Plus the entire automation mode/track for all MIDI events. which makes sense since Squarp doesn’t even put audio in their sequencers.
No sure if something is wrong, but trying audio tracks and live looping. Its in battery mode, but when I unplugged my guitar the deluge made some ungodly feedback. Not sure what went wrong anyone?
yeah if you do not have a line in plugged in, it swaps out to the internal mic.
sounds like you had audio clips with monitoring on (so you could hear you’re plugged in guitar live). once you unplugged it, monitoring was still enabled and the input automatically switches to the next available, which would be the onboard mic. that’s what generates the feedback.
i definitely like the sound of having a setting to automatically toggle monitoring off for the mic to avoid that issue.
How do you turn it off please after recording my guitar parts.
in song view, press and hold LEARN/INPUT and then press any pad on the row of the audio clip to enter change input source of that audio clip. on 7seg choose the option that doesn’t have a period at the end to remove monitoring, for OLED choose the option that doesn’t include (MONITORING). sometimes you have to poke around every audio clip to make sure they all have monitoring off.
in arranger view i believe you can simply mute that clip’s row (only useful if you’re not going to use arranger view for the project)
+1 I don’t even know why anyone would want mic monitoring aside from when using headphones.
Also think it is a bit weird that monitoring is set up the way it is, there should be a quick option to turn it off, hopefully a future update will address this.
Extra extra read all about it - mutable instruments reverb is now part of the deluge nightly firmware and it sounds like a dream 🥹
How is it accessed?
Edit: It’s found under FX and “model” when you enter settings on a patch.
It’s not very usable for me, for now. The reverb tales are very long, even in the smallest room size settings. And it gets cut off after a while (seems like the tale never stops by itself). But looking so much forward to the stable implementetion. Big news with new reverb algorithm!
Thanks, but I was referring to the reverb.
And yeah, it’s more of an ambient type reverb. It does sound interesting but it’s weird that on the lowest setting it still has like a super long reverb tail.
But it does sound cool with side chaining applied to it.
I’ll probably revert to the more stable release I’m getting a weird thing with the stutter effect where after awhile I just lose control of all the buttons. Audio still plays but nothing works anymore. I think it’s happening when I’m pressing stutter and then trying to trigger a scene but not entirely sure, it happened twice now. Probably related to the Stutter Effect modulator which seems like a cool feature but you still have to hold down the stutter knob which takes away some of my excitement.
So I think the Deluge going open source is revolutionary and has proven itself to be a resounding success. I am wondering about the wider impact of this on the music hardware industry.
Is anyone aware of another manufacturer being influenced by this decision? I.e., they went open source because they saw how successful it’s been for Deluge?
Or, is anyone aware of an example where someone has made this point on a support forum and had the developer push back for whatever reason?
I am trying to anticipate what that pushback could be since “Deluge proved this can be done” seems like a strong argument.
I think it’s more like “Deluge proved this can be done with their own code base after putting a lot of work into their own code base to get to the point where it was possible".
Doesn’t necessarily mean that anyone else’s code base is ready for this approach. If you’ve seen a manufacturer who very rarely updates firmware for a product, it might mean that code base is not easy to change.
See also “It should be simple to code”
But yeah, looks great for Deluge so far, and I sincerely hope others take the same approach.
Ya I guess I wasn’t thinking of this in terms of a manufacturer that doesn’t update frequently… I was moreso thinking in terms of a developer who is a single person. They are constrained by what a single person could accomplish. For instance, the M8 but I’m sure there are many examples where the company is 1 engineer doing the coding.
The pushback I would anticipate is that they’ve spent XX years putting their blood, sweat, and tears into it so why would they just “give away their intellectual property”. To me, this is the argument that the Deluge example demolishes. Deluge proved that they didn’t give away the IP, open sourcing became a force multiplier that I don’t think anyone could have imagined.
Such a success story seems like it would motivate other 1 engineer companies but I’m just not aware of any which is why I asked here.
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We made a change log which summarizes all the changes since our first Official Release.
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