SOLVED - Delay buffer on cue out is not affected by crossfader scenes... (unless you...)

Elektron Gear Octatrack
#1

Setup: studio mode, static machines on track 1 and 5. Two neighbor machines each.
The chain from track 1 goes to main out, the chain from track 5 goes to cue out, both into open mixer channels.
Crossfader assigned to XLEV as usual on both terminating neighbor machines affects the tracks as expected, so that only track 1, 2,3 chain is audible when the xfader is at left, and only track 5, 6, 7 chain is audible when at right. (Everything works fine when playing back samples not affected by the delay buffer)
So far so good.
Now when i ā€œlockā€ (not to be confused with the actual lock parameter, which is locked) the freeze delay buffer on chain 1, which is on the main out (exit delay control while track delay trigger is held down) and fade to the right, the delay buffer is faded out, as expected.
But trying to mirror this for chain 5 which is on cue outs, the delay buffer is still audible when the xfader is at the left.

I thought XLEV is independent of main/cue? And post FX?
I also had no luck with amp vol scene locking. (Makes sense as amp vol is pre fx?)
Any thoughts?

Ps. I can get crossfadeable delay buffers if i assign both chains to main, but thatā€™s not good enough. Iā€™d like separate eqs on my mixer for both chains, therefore require the cue out.

Octatrack. Master Volume of Cue Out in Studio Mode
#2

XLevel is for Main and doesnā€™t work for Cue. You canā€™t affect Cue Level to Scenes or Plocks. Iā€™m not sure if this is what you want knowā€¦

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#3

Maybe with XVol you could achieve what you wantā€¦

#4

It is exactly what I want to know, thanks! Iā€™ve seen this mentioned in other threads but wasnā€™t sure my problem was only due to this.

So in my case track playback is affected by XVOL. XVOL being pre FX, it does not affect the delay buffer.
And XLEV will fade out everything post FX on the main out, which is why i get the expected result from the delay buffer on chain 1, which is routed to main out. But it will not affect cue out levels, which is why the delay buffer on chain 5, on cue out, is unaffected by the crossfader.

Thanks! I donā€™t see a way around this problem,

#5

Do you have tracks 4 and 8 free for use? Iā€™m not with my OT today so I might be misleading you but why not use Neighbor machines with no effects on those two tracks and use Scenes to control XVOL there?

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#6

Thanks for the suggestion! Will try this.
(I already tried AMP VOL scene locking on 3 and 7, but that did not work.)

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#7

Thanks, tried it, but no luck.

The delay buffer is unaffected by any level and volume scene locking on subsequent neghbour machines, except by XLEV, and only if the buffer is routed to main out.

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#8

I didnā€™t understand what you want to do, maybe if you explain it in a few words. :slight_smile:

When I realise I couldnā€™t ā€œScene Lockā€ Cue Level, I thought I could invert Main and Cue roles. I donā€™t know if it would work in your case.

#9

Ok I think I get it now. Maybe thereā€™s something to do with tracks 4 & 8 as Peter said.

Maybe using Recorders recording tracks 3 & 7, played with Flex Recordings on 4 & 8, and Xvol control?

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#10

I think I found a solution : Xvol works for Recorder + Flex.
For the Cue track 8, you can use Recorder 8, recording track 7 with a Recorder Trig, play Recording 8 on track 8 with a trig.
Should work. :wink:

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Use crossfader to switch from main to cue output
#11

Thanks, i tried this last night, it does work in a way, but it results in a next problem:
recorder lag ā€“ even with four recording trigs on the beat on 7 and four playback trigs on 8, you get one beat of delay. (micro-timing pre-placement of rec trig does not remedy this satisfactorily).
also, the sync between recorder and playback trigs seems to drift after a while, resulting in ugly clicks at playback start points and general untightnessā€¦ but it was late and i will investigate some more later on.

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#12

You have to disable time stretch to avoid the need of microtiming. One trig should be enough.
Maybe you can have clics depending on the audio material.

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#13

Ok ā€“ Flexes with time-stretch disabled solved the lag problem.
Thank you very much @sezare56 !

I had to put the flexes on the ends of both neighbour chains, just making one for neighbour 7 on track 8 would not work. The crossfading would not work between neighbour 3 and flex 8, just between flexes 4 and 8.

Problem solved. Thanks again @sezare56 and @PeterHanes !

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#14

Cool. Only solutions with :elot:! :wink:

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#15

It worked for me with Xlevel for Main and Xvol/Rec/Flex for Cue, so I think it should work between track 3 & 8.

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#16

Yes that combination works, I was using Xvol only, which requires flexes on both sides. So your method even leaves track 4 free for Thru duties or such. :happy:

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