Solid State Logic .. SSL Big SiX

Checking back in FYI

I just started using a H9000 on the same hub and the extra data from that freaks the Big Six (you can see the orange mic mode twitching in the Mac menu bar).

Moved the Big Six to a direct connection and all works - guess its very glitchy with high port traffic.

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Thanks for the update! Looks like a direct connection is the only way to achieve a reliable operation.

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I have yet to test this out further more - and it could very well be something else entirely.
But right now, I’m using a MacMini M4 base model. And if I plug the BigSIX in one of the Thunderbolt ports, the BigSIX USB disconnects when the Mac goes idle (not sleeping, but just idle for a long period of time).
If I plug the BigSIX in one of the two USB ports of the Mac, then it’s all good and stable.
For now, I’ve tried various cables, many OS settings, etc. All with the same result.
I’ll have to test this a bit more - but it was annoying at first. That may be my main gripe with the BigSIXQ : its USB interface is a bit finicky.
Although once it works, it just works seamlessly.

This sounds like it’s not the BigSix at fault but a design choice by Apple. Have you asked Apple or checked the manual for the Mac Mini if this or nomal behaviour for the thunderbolt ports?

Edit: didn’t find much on it when searching besides this but didn’t really say much about the new M4. New M4 Mini - USB-C port going to sleep resolved - external drive disconnecting? | MacRumors Forums

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You beat me to it.
Not much info on it - and definitely an issue that appears to be on the Apple side.
Although, to be fair, the Volt276 interface I have plugged in the back is not suffering from the same issue at all.
Gotta investigate a bit more to get a definitive understanding of what’s causing this.
Not a real deal breaker at the moment, tho.

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To prevent your Mac from putting an external drive to sleep when using power saving settings, you can uncheck the Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible option in Energy Saver:

1. Click the Apple menu
2. Select System Settings
3. Click Battery or Energy Saver in the sidebar
4. Click Options on the right
5. Uncheck Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible

This would disconnect my MOTU as well. Unchecking Put Hard Disk(s) to Sleep in powersave fixed it

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I don’t think I’m into making music anymore, but I have one question that’s been plaguing me forever, and I would like some points of view before I bow out…

People want gear with multiple outs, yet run those outs into a mixer where it’s all summed. Why? [keeping in mind the sound coming from the gears separate outs have their own vol, eq, filter etc [kinda standard today]]
:man_shrugging:t5::thinking:

…5000 :v:t6:

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Most of the artists I work with normally do this for live performances. This is strictly a method to have control over everything on-stage. Frustrating because most of them aren’t very good at keeping things in check, so i’m fighting frequencies at my console.

In the studio, it’s super convenient to save inputs. The last studio I was working at did this. We had an API Legacy console with 32 inputs, but wanted to save those for instruments like drums, guitar, vocals, etc. So we essentially ran the synths into an external mixer and summed them down 2 channels to the API. This was super effective for multi-tracking. Whenever the groups wanted to ā€œjamā€ and record live, we’d swap back and setup the synths they absolutely wanted straight to the API.

Everyone has different reasons, but it always comes down to capacity first for me

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That’s exactly what I did. Works like a charm on the front port but occasionally disconnects from the back ports. May be a Thunderbolt 5 thing. Maybe not.
I still have to look into this further - that is, if Apple gets rid of plain old USB-C ports on their new machines.

Right now, with SSL’s USB-C to USB-C cable and the MiniM4 front port, it works steadily…as long as the hard drives don’t go to sleep.

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So I have an MPC X and a Big Six and I run all my MPC outputs into my Big Six in the studio… I have a few reasons:

  • Aux sends, I’ll have different amounts of reverb from my h90 on different channels.
  • Inserts on my mono channels.
  • Easy to use, good sounding EQ.
  • I can individually drive channels into the orange/red for some bite.
  • To my ears, it just comes together better sonically, glues together in a way I like, it sounds a little murkier when I sum in the MPC instead.
  • The sliders give you a bunch of space around the zero point to tweak levels with small movements. On most of my gear the level controls seem kind of ā€œlinearā€ if that makes sense,

Beyond that it’s just the way I’ve worked for years, I just like mixing on a mixer rather than tweaking levels directly in the interface of my gear, and I’ve always had a mixer, even live I bring a mackie or whatever.

Edit: I’ll also add that’s why I don’t have one of the new Elektrons, just two many parts coming out of one stereo output doesn’t gel with my type of setup.

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So I gave it a try … I plugged a TRS into the Bus B L output, and the XLR end into the talkback.

Switched the LMC on … and it beat the sh*t out of my drum break. I liked it :smiley:

The mic preamp and LMC even managed to uncover very low crosstalk back from when I tracked the thing in … Under the right conditions you could hear the neighbour track as loud as if it was the actual track I was processing … (the ā€œI sit on the couch 3 meters away from the talkback mic and you can still hear my whisper loud and clear in your cue headphones effectā€). Wasn’t a problem for my purposes, and I sort of achieved what I wanted.

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Sorry for the lame question here…I still haven’t properly explored the BigSix.

What bugs me now is that I just can’t pan anything. I have used all mono and stereo channels and on each channel, when I try to move the Pan knob, nothing happens. Not even when I try to pan the signal from the Analog Four for example. Like, using LFO on the hi-hat panning, no effect at the end.

I should be doing something wrong, but what?

The monitoring section has a mono switch. Have you checked if it’s enabled?

(The mono switch is facing the ā€œAltā€ switch across the ā€œDimā€ pot, above the ā€œCutā€ switch - it doesn’t have a LED status helper)

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That was it exactly. Thank you!

My kid likes to play with the mixer and after that I spend so much time guessing what he pressed or moved…

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Haha, in the case of the Big Six with all its routing options and features I guess resetting the mixer after their playing is quite a task :sweat_smile:

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Ha! Whenever my nephew would come over when he was little, the first thing he would do is push everything to 11.

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Using my BigSix with the latest version software on mac mini m2pro. Sometimes when left unused for a while it disconnects. Have to power cycle the mixer for the mac to see it again. Anyone else have this issue?

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Mac Mini M4 (base model).
Same here - although it happens with the Thunderbolt ports but not so much with the USB-C ones.
Since it’s a desktop, I usually just leave the Mini on.
But still, an annoying little quirk.

Interesting. Wander if SSL are aware? Not a massive issue. More a mild annoyance.

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It may be a Mac Mini related issue in my case. The Mini has had some issues (bluetooth, monitors, ports…) and it would make more sense than a SSL issue.
But yeah. Now that you mention it, I didn’t send an email. Gonna do it. Just asking if they are aware and if there’s a fix.
It’s an annoyance with the Mini, but it would have been a pain with a MBP or any laptop (since keeping them awake all the time would have killed the battery in the long run)