tl;dr - on your Round Robin on your OT controlled by an external sequencer or controller, do you route a single set of CCs to control all Channels (as in, sending CC34 on any or your control channel gets duped to all Channels in the round robin) or do you modulate separately on each channel (sending only Note On/Sample Triggers to the round robin, but leaving all the delicious modulation of FX to their dedicated destinations)?
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Sorry if this is more disjointed than usual - I’m working on little sleep and little prospect for a decent amount of it in the near future. Joy!
Note: I"m not an OT power user. The OT is just a device in my rig, and generally has stayed out of the rig for the last 4 years because it just didn’t jell with my workflow. With OS1.40 tho, that has changed, so I’m resetting it.
I had a Round Robin script before, but I’m updating it and a lot of my stuff has changed. It’s in MIDI Translator Pro on a BomeBox (natch). So I do it a bit differently than others, but that’s moot (because I know how to do this), just debating myself.
All notes get thrown into the round robin
But CC’s to modulate FX (as in ones not being modulated internally on the OT via LFO) -> Would you/do you?
- Dupe the CC’s from your external controller/sequencer to all Channels on the OT involved in the Round Robin?
- OR -
- Allow modulation of each separate note by putting the Note Events/Sample Trigger into the Round Robin but maintain the CC msgs on their own Channel (So, as an example, you can add echo to the 3rd of a triad but not the root or the 5th)
Also Note: The OT plays with another sampler, some romplers, analog, and hybrid so it’s not my primary device. I imagine if it was my primary device I would immediately go for option 2 above, but I’m not sure if it’s worth it.
What do you think?
Worth the added confusion or not?
I hate to say this, but you may be on your own journey here. I have no idea what you are talking about to be honest. Sounds like it could be interesting, but damn you are really going for complication in this set-up. I think you are talking about using a midi filter/effects system to talk with your OT? Anyways, sorry I can’t help. Let us know if you get it done.
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Thanks. Yeah - I do weird stuff with MIDI.
Basically I’m taking 3 Tracks of the OT and playing them polyphonically, so first note played gets voiced on Track 5, next note Track 6, next note Track 7, and then it cycles back again.
Since each machine has separate FX, I was contemplating whether I put the FX for all 3 Tracks following the same values as each other, or have them all on separate values for some rather chewy effects…but…meh.
I think the round robin thing is pretty standard hack, but definitely in the ‘external control of OT’ realm.
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Check Blokas Midihub for “round robbin” the ot , works really good for wat u want to do with midi
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This sounds interesting for sure. I’ve seen round robbin done on Bitwig, used as a sort of sequencer. Very cool. as for your effects question, I’d say make 4 different parts and do different things to them and switch between them.
Edit:
Another trick could be to have 4 patterns with different parts with different effects, chain those patters. Play patterns while turning knobs…for maximum tom foolery.
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Many midi processors can be programed to do round robin, polyphonic, velocity, multisample, etc…
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Yup. I’m using MIDI Translator Pro.
I’m round robin’ing as we speak.
I also use Slots Mode, but I use an incoming CC to select the Slot and then force Pitch by translating the MIDI Note # into a CC value to affect Playback Parameter 01: Pitch thereby getting closer to being ‘rompler-esque’ by allowing me to choose a patch, and then chromaticise from there.
Was just wondering - I don’t know if you’re currently using a round robin effect, but do you make all OT FX follow the same modulation (that is, if you modulate externally)?
Or do you just duplicate any external modulation (like, Filter, Delay Send, etc) to all Tracks that are part of the round robin?
If Round Robin just mean alternate settings in a sequence after receiving the same message it’s very easy with Event Processor Plus.
Thanks. I already can do a round robin, thanks.
Just looking for opinion on routing the FX when controlling the OT externally.
So, if you have Filter and Delay on each of 3 Tracks involved in your round robin, would you:
- Make all the Filter and Delay parameters react the same?
or
- Control the Filter and Delay parameters individually so you can, say, use a Delay on one note of the Triad and maybe a Filter on another, and modulate these independently?
Yeah.
I have that going already.
Not using Event Processor Plus because I do all my routing conditionally via BomeBox.
We’re talking FX.
You know I know how to do this! LOL
How many times have you inspired me to do crazy stuff with the OT?
I can’t tell about other midi processors, but i 'm pretty sure RK002 can do it too.
So, sorry for the confusion - English is difficult for me most times, esp when I’m under rested.
I already have a Round Robin going.
Actually, any note coming on Channels 5-7 gets thrown into the Round Robin and treated equally. Also, I have my scripts react to CC70 which then sets the Slot (LOVING OS1.40) and then I play chromatically by interpreting the MIDI Note # to the Pitch parameter and send 6 bytes total (3 for the Pitch selection, 3 for the Note Event).
Yes, I will be making Note Velocity do something-something with the Filter and/or Level…but, here’s the question: Would you make ALL Notes follow the same Filter setting if you play a chord? Or would you allow each Note to have a different Filter setting? that sounds exciting, but then if your second FX is Delay…different values? That’d be fun, no? oooh.
What are your thoughts on that?
Single set of values for all Tracks? OR multiples?
I’m not looking for a midi processor to do it.
I’m not sure the RK002 can do what I’m doing with my round robin, tho
I would control cc’s at once , depends on the sound, been looking at Bome I think its great ,for me Blokas got some creative routing options for cc , I love the rk002 chord maker btw 
I’m coming to that conclusion also, since I don’t tend to make chords a focus despite the chewiness of any samples I may be using. generally speaking, that is
What I’m doing (the larger project) is not possible with MIDIHub and definitely not the rk002.
See: I’m not a musician. I just like making ‘systems’. LOL
Could you describe what you’d musically want?
I’m pretty sure RK002 can be programed to do anything with any midi signal. Just a question of programming…
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and now that I said that, I started experimenting with different FX settings. I have these Tracks routed through the CH8 Master, so I can still modulate as a group.
Oh. My.
This is something.
I’m so happy with the changes in OS1.40
The rk002 can’t do what I’m doing.
Trust me on that.
I need variables and logic.
Musically: I’m trying to picture in my head what flexibility or variability I want down the road, honestly, and was wondering what others have done. Apparently it is a dark, seedy corner that few consider worthy of interest.
I believe the question lies similar to ones posed by people who play an MPE instrument and those who do not: Why would you want separate modulation control over each note in a chord? Yes, if values are tweaked considerably different it offers a radical and often grating cluster of harmonics, but are subtle variations desirable for creating a lush soundscape? I imagine this more suited to a lead instrument.
If you play a chord on a keyboard, would you want to be able to control Delay and Filter (or any other OT effect) separately for each note? And I’m speaking of direct and/or sequenced control - or rather any incoming parameter. I realise I can make subtle adjustments via LFO’s to thicken things up.
I by no means find this uninteresting. But, I do see you kind of going down your own rabbit hole…a rabbit hole that others, I’m sure will find of interest once you get it all together and reprt back. Sounds like fun.
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Actually, my favourite part of this whole escapade is realising that (duh@me) I can actually use the Slots Mode and then pass a Value as a MIDI CC (I’m using CC70) to represent the Slot #.
Then when I send out the MIDI msg to trigger the OT, I just replace the Note# with whatever is held in that Global variable.
Also, the Velocity gets routed to Amp Level (natch - I’d do Filter, but I think I like to control that other ways).
And finally I set it up so that I can send within the note range of Note#72-96 and my Note On Event would be preceded by a CC msg that adjusts the Pitch. So, Chromatic AND Slot Mode…two…two…two modes in one. And I can send a CC70 to select the ‘sound’ I want, like choosing a patch on a synth.
OT is more rompler-esque and I’m good with this.