Why doesnt this exist yet?!
Yes i know you can tape the buttons down, but that stops you from using other trig modes
It just seems so simple and logical to implement, i hope it gets added to the trig modes
On another note, despite the OT being a pretty new machine (released end 2011)
with the advent of the analog series, im worried the Ot is being left behind (overbridge for example)
This machine IS great, but still missing some new tweaks to justify the hype Elektron put into the project as selling points
The looper is in my opinion very un-intuitive to beable to do interesting stuff to your loops “live”
Wheras in the original blurb that was one of their key selling points
I voted in the poll on here a few weeks ago, i hope a new update will arrive, though i cant imagine the 20+ requests will all be integrated!
Not sure what you mean, like Scene mode from the RYTM?
Octa’s scene mode is obviously working with effects interpolation between sides of the cross fader. Lol tape the buttons down? What would this achieve. I was actually going to post a thread asking if RYTMS scene mode would be a reasonable request for OCTA. I find working with Drum Chains sucks because if you want to pan you you can’t just pan the hi hat left and it stays there. You have to lock panning into every step ugg.
Very confused on this. Wouldn’t we need pads for a scene mode like on the AR?
My only scene complaint is lack of scenes on MIDI tracks. So many times I want to fade the cut off on one of my synths but the option isn’t there. Being able to switch multiple other parameters on the fly by quickly changing assigned scenes would also be crazy.
Oh sorry, i just figured people would understand what i was on about
Ill try to be clearer
Playing between scenes is an exellent way to generate new breaks and breath life into the patterns
BUT to do this you have to hold down the scene button and choose a new scene trig
Wheras if a scene mode existed, like the other trig modes, eg slice mode, chromatic mode, mute mode,
that would enable you to go through the scenes with just one button
Some people have got round this by taping down one of the scenes, meaning its allways engaged, and you can just select the scenes on the trigs with one button
Theres even a video or two on the net
But like i said, i dont want to do this, cos id be stuck in “scene mode” and no longer have acces to slices and mutes etc
so you’re talking about being able to basically lock the scene button on instead of having to hold it down and make changes? I suppose that might not require hand gymnastics to configure scenes…
My right little finger is completely trained to hold Scene B down as needed so I can play the scenes and run the fader. This technique is a favorite of mine
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My right little finger is completely trained to hold Scene B down as needed so I can play the scenes and run the fader. This technique is a favorite of mine
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I agree! Works great and requires a bit of practice! The octatrack can be programmed and performed. Programming requires reading the manual and good ideas, performance requires muscle memory and preparation.
Like any instruments certain skillsets need to be aquired through repetition. A better and earlier used analogy would be playing a videogame like streetfighter. At first you’re unable to make certain combos or play certain chords, but after a lot of practice the muscles in your hands grow and “remember” movements and positions. It’ll go naturally. Some instruments, especially electronic require little to none muscle memory, some depend heavy on it, compare a theremin to a micro modular for example, this has to do with the interface and complexity of the featureset.
Now the octatrack (and other elektron sequencers) can be approached in two ways like I said, program and perform, and to use the full potential the user must develop knowledge and ideas that fit that featureset and rehearse your a** off to become a good performer.
I read a lot of great topics, such as this one, where there’s ideas and knowledge, yet a request for more features insted of applying time and practice to get familiar with performing on the octatrack. I use the OT for almost two years know, as a studiotool and in my band and I am just getting to know the OS in and out and able to jam a little bit with it. I am still a streetfighternoob or kid at guitarpractice, but I figured out the place the OT has in my setup and I know what skills I need to work on to get better at playing it.
People do all sorts of amazing stuff with gear that have half baked operation systems, fist thick manuals or overcomplicated interfaces, the better electronic musician work with what they have and keep practicing and going at it and get unique and wonderful music out of it in the process!
Use tape or a paperweight on the scene buttons or practice your little pinky and some crossfader tricks, watch videos on turntablism, be creative and appreciate the limitations as a challange.
@ Husc, Whilst i agree fundamentally with what your saying,
i still think this mode could be implemented to make it more accessible
Perso im doing vocals at the same time as manipulating the machines,
trying to make the music as vibrant as possible whilst rapping
And of course practice makes perfect, but im still left feeling that (A) i need a headworn mic, and that (b) theres still some updates due that would be more than welcome
@ Avantronica - OT is my master with A4 and MD, + midi keyboard going thru them all via the OT,
Theyre isnt any way for me to program midi messages into the OT
and even if their was, the point of the scenes is LIVE manipulation, so it would have to be a Midi controller, which would be even more stuff to do with my hands than the 2 button process
Any video somewhere that demostrate this?
I can’t even see the benefit of using this technique (yet). But I’m barely using my crossfader at all yet, still too much of a noob.
Change Scene A & B simultaneously? What do you mean by that?[/quote]
There are midi commands for selecting both Scene numbers, so if your fader was in between extremes you’d get a different effect if you midi selected A, B or A&B assuming both were on
Easily done with Lemur and two fingers, or script it up and do it with one !
Controlling the OT remotely makes its dense UI somewhat easier, e.g. one button track recording and instant trigging is very performance friendly (i do this with the sequencer off to use it in a more organic way)
Any video somewhere that demostrate this?
I can’t even see the benefit of using this technique (yet). But I’m barely using my crossfader at all yet, still too much of a noob.[/quote] In that case:
Create a scene with a nice filter sweep on it.
Now create a second scene with the same filter but also a bunch of distortion.
As your track plays, you can hold down Scene B and rhythmically punch in the distortion scene over your filter scene as you run the fader. You can also experience this by setting different scenes in the arranger.
In this way, the OT becomes an incredibly expressive instrument. I rarely play the OT without using the crossfader!
Change Scene A & B simultaneously? What do you mean by that?[/quote]
There are midi commands for selecting both Scene numbers, so if your fader was in between extremes you’d get a different effect if you midi selected A, B or A&B assuming both were on [/quote]
damn that’s a good idea! i haven’t done all that much with midi into the octatrack. i only see scene a and scene b in the manual in the midi reference though.
just by playing scenes by hand (+parts) you can get so much out of one pattern, but being able to interpolate parameters like that by switching both scenes at once, whoa! how fast can you change them…
i wouldn’t mind a scene mode. a lot of times playing scenes is when i accidentally reload a part or clear a pattern because i’m alternating between holding a scene button or holding function to quickly snap lock parameters and switching to muting scenes and copying and pasting scenes and oh yeah moving the crossfader too!
would parameters auto lock too just like if you were holding the scene button down?
a sticky scene mode would be very useful on the MIDI side too…and i don’t mean MIDI scenes, just being able to switch them up while you’re messing with MIDI…
something like double tap to make them sticky might be neat because then you could quickly get back to playing slices, or chromatically or whatever without paging up and down that list. or scene + yes? dunno.
i) there’s only settings for choosing Scene A & B, a bit like filter freq and resonance, but you could still set both of those at the same time (with the right midi kit, or simultaneously sending/changing two ccs), it’s not that big a deal doing both, being able to Mute Scenes (aot having an empty scene) would be handier imo
ii) effectively instantly if you have a midi command composed to two CC commands, i have however, noted that there’s a 60ms delay in properly implementing a MIDI slice play mode by simultaneously sending the Slice CC with a note, the note gets sent straight away, but the CC doesn’t take effect unless it is sent 60ms before the note ! otherwise the current slice is used !
iii) no, it just sets the Scene association, it doesn’t ‘hold’ them
the midi spec is not bad, but nowhere near as comprehensive as with the A4
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In that case: