Sampler with individual analog filters?

Maybe an Rytm MKI? Analog Rytm MKI and MKII have 8 individual analog multi-mode* filters (one per track). You also get an analog compressor on the sum.

Lowestpriced Rytm MKI I can find at the moment is 500 Euros.

*Modes: 2-pole Lowpass, 1-pole Lowpass,
Bandpass, 1-pole Highpass, 2-pole Highpass, Bandstop, and Peak.

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For 4x Mono samples with filters and envs that would cost still more than an AR Mk1 and with a bit of luck that would already get you a used Mk2.
Behringer 104 case -49€
Behringer CP1A PSU - 55€

Squid Salmple - 540€
2x Behringer System 100 140 Dual Envelopes - 78€
4x Behringer Surges - 144€

=866€ (Beatstep Pro or Midi to CV not included)

If you wanted stereo, you´d be in Rytm Mk2 territory.

Edit, I absolutely can´t type today…

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If you’re buying an Mk1 used, you may as well get the modular used. That brings down the price by 20% or even 35% if you’re patient for bargains.

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I have an Oxi One MkII, a Cirklon, a DN2, a Midi fighter twister, and more than one keyboard with 16 pads so I think I’m good on controllers and sequencers. I suppose that’s the upside of a Euroack system over a groove box or drum machine is that it only has the stuff I need and I don’t have to wade through the stuff I don’t.

It´ll certainly be pretty easy to jump in. Just patch the cables and you´re good to go.
You also already have CV outputs you could use to modulate stuff.
If you also have a mixer, you could just run the outputs from the Behringer Surges (or any other MI Ripples clone) directly into it.

Personally I think the Analog Rytm is hard to beat. It´s soo damn versatile and the filters really sound incredible, but if you just wanted a barebones analog filter chain to run samples through, why not…

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So just one shots, are they short or long?

The SP1200 clones are what I first though of but they have limited sample length - correct me if I’m wrong maybe that’s not the case for both of them. The OG is too limited in that regard for consideration IMO.

AR is a great drum machine, and is capable for sampling duties, but I wouldn’t buy one ‘as a sampler’ if that makes sense.

I am curious to understand the analog filter requirement though. Whether analog or digital you have so many permutations of filter - slope/poles, resonance behaviour, circuit type.

I’d take a digital ladder filter over an analog SVF. Even then there are transistor ladders, diode etc. Simply wanting the filter to be analog makes me wonder what it is you actually want? If it’s to have a warmer lap while you jam on the sofa there are easier ways to get it :joy:

The filters on the Roland samples (202,303,404) are some of my favourites, digital or analog seems beside the point for me. Cracking samplers for firing off one shots.

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Good point, I’ll go back to my suggestion. The Akai S950 is the sound op wants, its the most legendary sampler of all time and is what you hear on almost every huge hip hop track from the late 80s through the 90s. The combination of different sample rates and analog filters give it THAT sound.

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It’s iconic!

And yea the sound is great because of the filters but not because they are analog.

I will refrain from adding more to that opinion though as I appreciate it’s a distraction for OP, I just wanted to surface what was actually trying to be ‘solved’ with this requirement.

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lol if we knew what actually was needed to be solved on these type of threads, this forum would be dead!

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Yeah.but it was as close as I could figure since the AR had been mentioned. I have the mksrec1. It doesn’t have analog filters on every track either.

But there is more to it. The alpha base has analog envelopes as well and those react so nicely to the lfo. The mksrec has the real convertors that add a ton of weight to the low end. I barely use the analog filters on it.

I agree there is more to it than just having analog filters. Old e-mu samplers have digital filters yet sound amazing.

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Agreed. Octatrack filter is another example of an amazing digital filter. I definitely prefer it over some of the analog filters I have. Of course it also depends a bit on what you´re planning to do with it, what type of sound you´re typically going for and your own personal preference, but restricting the selection to analog just for the sake of it, isn´t something I´d do.

@BeatChef What´s the sound you´re looking for? Because I always feel like the MI Ripples (I have a V1 Ripples I built myself and a V2 clone) low pass filters take a bit of the top end off. Especially noticable when I run samples or the main out of one of my Elektron´s through them. But maybe that´s exactly what you want…a smooth, round filter.

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I dunno may just need to experiment. I think I might try the Fatmoog VCF Low Pass Filter which has Moog’s 904-A ladder filter if I go the modular route.

I may actually go with something I already have, just use it in a different way.

Some ideas that have come up with stuff I already own were to use the Strymon Delay’s looper function and become more familiar with it, or to map the mooger foogers in AUM to either the MIDI fighter twister or OXI One mod lanes (or Cirklon cc). Another idea was to use a tape loop as a sound source since I have a tape deck. I also have some TD-3-MO’s and some semi-modulars to experiment with. I also have an Alesis rack mount mixer with FX bus.

So just talking out loud to see what’s available and what I could try; nothing specific in mind.

This thing sounds sweet BTW. Not sure if it’s the sample itself or if there’s more going on.

Reminds me of the Mellotron patches I created on an Akai S1100. They’re in a drawer somewhere.

What are you trying to accomplish musically and sonically? I ask because some of my favorite sounds have been more due to low bitrate DACs than the filter, but I have no idea what you are going for.

The Akai S950 is highly coveted because it has the combo of low bitrate plus analog filters. But it is a mono sampler, so that can be a little limiting depending what you want to do, and it is overpriced now.

I also say this because the old Roland and E-MU samplers have an incredible sound to them. Also the old Roland JD990 filter is digital but it sounds unreal.

I typically get gear that helps me process sounds and get them sounding how I want before I record them, and I produce underground deep house. I like the old hip-hop production styles with grit to them.

If you give us an idea of what you are going for, we may be able to save you some $$$$.

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I like the lower bits as well, and some lo-fi and experimental stuff. I lower the bit rates on some of the DN2 patches.

I don’t think I’m really trying to pin myself down to a style because I’m still learning and seeing what works and what style works for me that people will actually listen to.

Sometimes I may be in different moods and do different things, or just have a theme or an idea and go off of that. Currently I’m learning to apply accumulators.

I’ve done acid/industrial styles, dance, world, electronic, generative, or just regular synth/pop. What spurred this is that the filter on my Nano Tangerine sounded a bit too digital for me.

I like the filters on analog synths such as the Moogs or Moog clones (I own a Behringer Model 15). I also like the filters on my Prophet Rev2 and Novation Summit. I know there’s more to it, like the circuitry, overdrive, and compression, but I just felt the question of “individual analog filters” was generic enough to spur some ideas without having to draw out schematics. I’m not leaving out virtual analog either, as I like the Mooger Foogers like I mentioned earlier, and have used them with Koala, just haven’t mapped anything physical to them, though I may try that later.

I sometimes multisample or single sample from the REV2 to my Nano Tangerine so I can use the REV2 for other things since it only has two voices. And that’s where having a good filter comes into play. Sample open, then filter after sampling. But also want to experiment with other sound sources such as vocals. I saw some videos with vocals and the looper function on the Strymon Timeline (which I own) that I found interesting. The Timeline has a bit crusher and tape emulation and other stuff.

I also see that the 1010 Blackbox has 3 individual outs. So could just be finding a sampler with individual outs and then mixing and matching with something like an AcidBox III, BM-14M, or even my own Behringer TD-3-MO’s filter inputs. I sometimes drive my TD-3’s through a Behringer VT999 Vintage Tube Monster Overdrive Pedal (at a low gain setting), which has a 12AX7 Preamp (which I swapped out for a better one).

The tape deck idea would be to just have a long droning sound on a loop, then follow it with a gate, pitch shift, a filter, a compressor, and delay/reverb that is all sequenced by the Oxi or the Cirklon. I do like the dark/mysterious sounds.

So not going for anything specific or other than experimenting and see what happens.

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For experimentation, find the cheapest stuff possible and see what sound works for you. Then once you find what you love you can upgrade on that. This way you don’t spend a ton of money.

Old fm synths like fb01 and cheap filter pedals,bit crushers and tape decks really do the job for me. I also got the Roland p6 and it’s got an awesome sound, although not digital. Great bitcrush and I really like the filter.

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Pretty sure you make a Program out of the samples and map them to different key groups, at least that how my S1000 works. So you can have one sample per key, 8 voices of polyphony and 8 mono outs. So the mono thing isn’t really limiting in the modern sense.

Ableton’s Sampler workflow is pretty much based off the way akai did it.

If you go this route I’d highly recommend the AJH MiniMod Ladder VCF.

Or the SSI F-1 which is a stereo ladder filter.

I’ve used both and they’re excellent.

What I will say is that there are plenty of digital filters that sound like a ladder filter that are probably absolutely fine for you in a sampler. In fact most 4-pole filters are probably great for this use case. It’s a bit different to a synth in that you won’t benefit fron the tiny nuances that a true analog variant will provide when you’re just dealing with a basic waveform.

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The s1000 samples in stereo. The s900 only samples in mono. That is what I meant.

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