Sample Chains

Elektron Gear Octatrack
#81

Hi.
I tried to create a sample chain in Ableton with the single cycle samples in the new Immortal waves wav-files, but it really sounds like crap on the Octatrack. I dont know if I do it wrong maybe someone else could try?
I asked on Elektron facebook page and they said there would be no problem in using these wavs for other machines

Also, using the smallest grid in Ableton ,1/32 grid, for single cycle waveforms produces a file of 380kb, zooming in to an adaptive grid makes the file size smaller since it leaves a lot of silence out but i dont know if that may be the problem?

If someone who knows how to create a sample chain can create one from the free and downloadable immortalwaves pack for monomachine, Iā€™d be happy if it could be posted here. Then i can compare that to my sample chain and propably figure out what i did wrong. Thanks.
http://www.elektron.se/sites/default/files/products/files/monomachine_sound_pack_-_immortal_waves.zip

#82

One of the great features are single waves on the octo. I havenā€™t made any sample chains recently, but why does it sound crap? Normally I just load single -up to 4 cycle waves in octo, then go to sample edit and loop it properly, hold down function edit and you should hear a continuous sample. When trigging youā€™ll need to set up hold and release for desired taste. Why donā€™t you try just one or two cycles to check it out.

#83

I dont get near the sounds in the soundcloud demonstration of the Immortal waves pack, even after fiddling around for a long while with them.
I discovered the single cycle wavesforms after seeing Inpektor Gadjets videos and his brilliantly made single cycle wave forms sample chains and they sounded good, so I know how to use them.
But maybe the Monomachine processes the samples in some way. I dont have one and havent tried one either. That is after all the machine that sample pack was intended forā€¦?

#84

I think you donā€™t want any silence in your single cycle sample chains.
Each slice needs to be a perfect loop for the single cycle wave form to sound right.

#85

When you drag the single cycle wav files into Abletonā€™ arrange page, make sure the grid in Live is set to off, then the files will automatically join together with no silent spaces. :wink:

#86

The problem though is that each single cycle wav is a different length (I think!). Iā€™m not sure how other people deal with this for single cycle chains. ??

#87

All the samples in the Immortal Waves pack are the same length so should align to each other perfectly in Abletonton Live. Have you created a Slice Grid in the OT of the appropriate number of slices? - 64 for all the Immortal Waves samples.

#88

good to knowā€¦ I havenā€™t chained these yet, just downloaded 'em yesterday or something :slight_smile:
Other single cycle collections Iā€™ve seen have been varying lengths.

#89

I guess that makes sense, the fact that when I created them on a grid the silence between them also are included in each slice in tehe octatrack.
Adding silece to a really fast loop will of course turn that sound on and of everytime the loop passes that silence. Gotta go home and try cook up a new chain. Thanks for input. Now things cleared up :slight_smile:

#90

sorry to bump this thread, but I think itā€™s probably the most appropiate place.

Iā€™ve been thinking about making my own sample chains - so far Iā€™ve only used some made by other people (found online and such); but I usually end up scrolling through slices without finding much I likeā€¦ I realized that I end up using only a few, or just going with one-shot samples.

Iā€™ve also been thinking that instead of making chains of a certain sound (BD, SD, CL, etc.) I might arrange them by hardware (64 slices of 808 sounds / LinnDrum, Vermona, 909, etc.)

does any of you arrange them this way?

I know it might not make as much sense, but it might help my worflow somehowā€¦ the problem with arranging them by sound is that I might not recognize what hardware they belong to - not that is necessary ; I can just trust my ears and pick whatever sounds right - but Iā€™ve been thinking about working within the boundaries of a certain palette might be a good way to get more familiarized with each machineā€™s signature sound, while also having a certain homogenic feeling, and modifying it onwards from there.

Iā€™m about to start a set from scratch so I want to give this a good thoughtā€¦

the length of the samples would be an issue here. I thought of making, for example, a 64-slice chain for 808 samples, but keeping long BDā€™s appart (as a short chain or a few one-shots)

any thoughts on this?