Since I got the Rytm, it’s taken over from the Octatrack as my main instrument. All my samples, loops and whatnot go into the Rytm, because the way it puts it all together, and the way it sounds, just makes it a lot more attractive to me.
But it’s a bloody hassle to work like this. Sample, transfer, sample again if you want to resample (which I like), and return to the source if you’re doing something with intense harmonics and need to shift the tempo or key too much, and so on.
I feel it’s worth it, but it’s still a pain.
Has anyone else made this transition? From the Octa to the Rytm, loops, sequences, one shots and all, cause you’re liking the sound?
Any advise on how to approach this? The workflow is starting to get to me, and I’m starting to wonder if the Rytm sound is worth it, compare to the smoother flow of just working with the Octatrack and letting the track stay there.
Me being hardware hardcore, I’m not sure how this would help. I’m sure it would, I just don’t get it.
What I could guess, though, is that perhaps once the samples are in the Rytm, any possible changes I’d like to make to them that the Rytm can’t - time stretching or harmonics-related stuff - would be a lot easier. I wouldn’t have to resample outside the Rytm, but perhaps use some software for this, thereby staying within a computer - Rytm ecosystem.
However, while I see the benefit of that and the unique selling point of it all, my reason for going Elektron is because they take hardware seriously. I don’t want to use a computer.
But I’m not complaining. I did bring this upon myself. And it’s not like the Octatrack isn’t up for the task. I just like the Rytm’s sound better. That’s on me.
Can you guys see my pain, though? Am I fooling myself in the sound difference? I really think it’s pretty big, but perhaps I’m becoming obsessive over the details.
The Volca Sample with the OT is just wicked.
But as you say, the overdrive, filters and stuff - hard to beat what you get from your samples when you pull them through the Rytm’s mojo.
How do you sample? with a DAW? another sampler?
Do you sample note only or entire phrase/pattern?
Ideas:
Do 90% in OT and just finalize with AR?
Just OT warming up the outputs.
maschine studio or MPC if you need pads… you would still to warm up the outputs.[/quote]
I sample with the OT.
I sample notes, one shots or entire phrases, depending on the source.
Tempest synth sounds don’t respond well to sampling, so I sample entire phrases from that one.
I build loops in Volca Sample and sample those too, since there’s something lost in the magic of the VS when you try to recreate it in another instrument. One shots for drums and percussions, I sample from Tempest and Tanzbaer mainly, and build new stuff with those directly in the Analog Rytm.
It’s really a mix and mash of bits and pieces from all kinds of directions, and they all blend quite well when glued together in the Rytm.
Actually, I’ve thought of building the track in the OT, and once it’s approaching final, I’ll shift it over to the Rytm. So if I’m thinking it and you’re thinking it, perhaps it’s worth a shot.
I’ve also thought about sending the OT through some analog effects I have here. Perhaps when they’ve done their stuff, the difference is so subtle, it won’t matter.
How do you sample? with a DAW? another sampler?
Do you sample note only or entire phrase/pattern?
Ideas:
Do 90% in OT and just finalize with AR?
Just OT warming up the outputs.
maschine studio or MPC if you need pads… you would still to warm up the outputs.[/quote]
I sample with the OT.
And actually, I’ve thought of building the track in the OT, and once it’s approaching final, I’ll shift it over to the Rytm. So if I’m thinking it and you’re thinking it, perhaps it’s worth a shot.
I’ve also thought about sending the OT through some analog effects I have here. Perhaps when they’ve done their stuff, the difference is so subtle, it won’t matter.[/quote]
Being comfortable with your workflow will probably make you more creative and provide more value to your music than just “warm” sound?
Especially if you have a way some analog effect to put out of your OT.
Experiment?
I’m with Klerc on this.
Maybe it is time to dust off those moogerfooger drive pedals and send the OT through, just to see what happens?
Also, I’m close to your thoughts on the things I like and dislike about Rytm.
It sounds great, and the macros are great, but I find myself wanting it to be different in a myriad of ways. This is becoming a disservice to my experience with it.
i dont own an octatrack but have been on the fence for one for a long time now. one thing i have to say about the rytms sampling capabilies tho is that i quite like some of the limitations. since its such a pain to transfer samples i really sort and prepare the samples instead of just throwing them in at random and i feel its worth it. and the sample engine is so basic that it forces me to focus and not fiddle around with useless parameters.
not to say that i miss a lot of functions. i`d really like to see a crossfade parameter for the loop on the sample page for example.
and yes resampling would be killer!
[quote=“AdamJay”]Maybe it is time to dust off those moogerfooger drive pedals and send the OT through, just to see what happens?
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thats something i thought about when considering buying an ot. if you try this let us know about the results please![/quote]
I’m gonn try this. I’ll A / B-test it and post it here for you. And I’ll do it with the Rytm too. Then we’ll see.
thats something i thought about when considering buying an ot. if you try this let us know about the results please![/quote]
I’m gonn try this. I’ll A / B-test it and post it here for you. And I’ll do it with the Rytm too. Then we’ll see.[/quote]
cool. looking forward to it!
thats something i thought about when considering buying an ot. if you try this let us know about the results please![/quote]
I’m gonn try this. I’ll A / B-test it and post it here for you. And I’ll do it with the Rytm too. Then we’ll see.[/quote]
Strom is a great app if you prefer to keep computers away from your workflow, which I often do with my Elektrons in particular. Combined with Audioshare or something similar, you can open Dropbox files in Strom and then send them to the Rytm.
So I keep a Dropbox folder where I store interesting samples from wherever I am at the time, and they’re available to be when I’m working on my Rytm without having to get a computer involved.
When Overbridge is fully released and has the sample management feature, I I’ll probably switch to a laptop purely for the convenience (hopefully it’ll be convenient) - ideally I’ll pick up a cheap, quiet, unobtrusive model than can serve pretty much as a dedicated sample manager for the Rytm.
Machinedrum? Yamaha SU10 or any other sampler that uses MIDI SDS?[/quote] [/quote]
Once you’re tainted by the Octatrack bug, it’s hard to go to another sampler except for additional character in sound.
I find it a crime that the Octatrack doesn’t support MIDI SDS, though. If it did, the Octa and the Rytm would be like a small eco system of their own.
I love Elektron for what they do, but their product strategy is sometimes bordering on obtuse. We get it. For the full experience, buy the full product line.
But you know, trust the quality of your gear enough to not cripple them with obvious cuts. There would not be less Octatracks sold if the Rytm could sample.
But of course, priorities come into place as well. There’s only so much you can cram into hardware when triple-a quality is part of the offer. So perhaps it was never on the table to allow the Rytm to sample. It is, after all, a drum machine and doesn’t claim to be anything else. That we find other uses for it, and find it frustrating that it doesn’t support these uses, is not an immediate problem for Elektron.
Though it could spawn ideas, of course.
The Octatrack with the Rytm’s sound engine. Bring it. The people will come. In thousands.
