You don’t sync it to other hardware in the studio?
One you can circumvent by making the right choice, the other you can’t
great tip. and use external FX to trail the transition
i probably have you guys to figure this out yourselfs. but a last try as this is around since yesterday.
if you are going to send the same sync info to mpc and tr-1000 they are going to be offsync because their internal latency is different. hardwarelatency if you will. there are devices with the same latency if you are lucky. mpc and tr-1000 i am shure will never have.
the test i saw here made was running a clock to tr-1000 and thru to mpc. so they get the same clock but dont have the same hardware latency. the other test was sending a nome clock to both. so also the same clock on both.
what you have to do is send them their own sync signal. one will run ealier, the other later. for example with a multoclock or a cirklon as they can send multible shifted clocks
there doesnt seem to be any issue with midi. the tr-1000 just has a lot of latency in the mode where it runs stable. lots if buffers etc i imagine. it possible that they can bring that down because its a lot. i hope so until i can buy one
I don’t follow. You can use the TR-1000 exactly like a 808 or 909. Select one kit and make this global for your track/song. Also make the drum machine the sync master. TR-1000 has DIN sync and other trigs. In the 90s there were many (!) sync and latency issues. Notator SL and cubase had extremely fine settings to deal with the different latencies of midi equipment.
Our master in the studio is the Cirklon. That will not change. Many friends have an MPC 3000 or 4000 as master (same setup as in the 90s). It seems Roland now considers 8 ms shift between hardware devices acceptable. I don’t. It is really quite simple
edit: doesn’t take away from the sound of it, or the coolness of the layering etc. just shows that there is a (worrying) shift to have more “computer like” (for lack of a better term) downsides in hardware. New Akai MPCs was the first time I noticed it.
EDIT: Not sure if this holds true. There seems to be different user experiences or usecases.
I was disappointed to read about the audio gap but to me sync issues is far worse. Roland seems to have delivered an extraordinary machine and thought of everything. Such a shame they can’t get the most basic functionality like proper, tight synchronization to work. It’s a drum machine and I want to hook it up to my Octatrack which is master for all my other machines. When Elektron can get this right, so should the experts at Roland. Really hope to hear good news about this being solved.
Agreed. What label if you don’t mind me asking?
@zum so you’re saying a device like an e-rm multiiclock would solve this? It would act as the master clock, and you would delay the clock going to the MPC a little bit, so it matches the (slower) response of the TR1000? That sounds like it would work. But what if you need the MPC to be the master?
With circlon, I bet there is an option to set negative delay for each midi out. That way you could compensate for any lagging device.
Well, at least there are delay options for sequenced instruments.
Edit
MPCs have this since the 60 (shift early, page 194 in current manual).
so now i need another $3000 device to get this thing to play nice? heheheh
just to make shure i didnt miss a problem here. you can just shift the clock for the tr-1000 from
your cirklon 7ms and everything is in sync, right?
its more about that you dont like the more complex software stuff introducing latency
Cirklon shift is >0 only.
edit: Fascinating info about the 60! The 4000 does not have that as far as I am aware. Have to ask my buddy about the 3k.
Make it relative then.
No, you would have to shift it forward in time. minus 7 ms.
yeah i dont know how any device would make something shift something forward in time, before you hit the play button
edited to not make it about this
thats not working unfortunatly because the mpc starts immediatly and the tr-1000 comes later. you cant delay the mpc from outside when its master. but maybe the mpc has some kind of latency setting for the clock out like ableton. you wouldnt need a multoclock then if you are just want to sync the tr-1000.
if you wanna sync more than one from the mpc you gonna have something like multiclock again. i think you can get clock in and send it shifted out again. i have it syned to ableton with a pluging
Make everything else delay 7ms.
Anyone else noticing that the 909 clap sounds a bit dark compared to the OG?