Roland SP-404 Mk2 (Part 1)

I think about the gear I own a lot, and try to figure out the capabilities I have at hand.

To arrange and master on the 404 would go like this, and I am sure there are better ways, but this is how I’ve approached it in the past.

You bring in your one shots to get a rhythm, you adjust pad velocity as you go to get the levels where you need them. Once you get everything sequenced, then you can stem it out to pads by muting all but one pad and resampling the pattern, using “wait to rec”.

Here is where you do some light EQing, and start applying some effects. Reverb on the hats let’s say. Then you resample again, and add all that to a new pattern, keeping the old pattern as a dry mix to start over if you need.

Now you start adding in any parts you like. Synths, more samples, live instruments.

You play along with the pattern, but recording to a pad, not the pattern, keeping it out of the mix. Then you add it to the pattern, resampling it to get EQ or a chorus effect or whatever you want. Take out the dry, add the wet sample.

That’s the intention of the workflow. Resampling everything to a new pad.

Once you make all your parts in different patterns with unique variations, you resample all the patterns chained together to a pad. This is your final arrangement. Then you resample again, keeping all the previous samples intact through their various iterations on separate banks to stay organized.

Then here you add compression for final mix. Resample to a pad for a final bounce down if it sounds good, then export to the SD Card or export to your computer.

Finished track.

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I get and support what you’re saying here. But also I think a lot of people mean a lot of different things when they say “sound quality”. For some, it’s audiophile levels of bit purity. For others, it’s a synonym for “sound design”.

Maybe it’s more accurate in the context of composing to say “sound decisions”? I’m going to run with that, anyway. And I don’t think the 404 has a very unique take on this. You have to make all the same decisions composing on the 404 as in a DAW or anything else.

The difference is the 404 doesn’t let you unmake your decisions. I can spend hours going back and forth between reverb settings on a track. With the 404, I baked that reverb in three steps ago. It keeps me moving forward because going back is futile.

This is a huge limitation of the device. And (to me), it‘s greatest strength.

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Best part of the MKII. The games you had to play with the SX to get this functionality was brutal.

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I couldn’t agree more!

I got the email with your response, not sure why you decided to remove it but just wanted to say I appreciated your pointers there. You are right, I’ve asked a few times about this and I’m clearly very curious about the 404 and, for better or worse, I’m the kind of person that obsessed over details in a potential future that may never happen. In this case, to figure out how I might use the 404 in live jams effectively.

You’re also right that I should just try it out. I will, most likely, once they start to appear in the local second hand market. :blush:

Also, just a quick clarification, when I call the SP-404 an “instrument”, I just mean the act of playing on it live using the pads as if you’re in front of a drum (sample) set. You can use the Digitakt as an instrument too of course, but I was just saying that the SP-404 is still very much jammable live in that regard, just not as easy for the sound engineer to mix the performance after the fact compared to the Digitakt when you have each track separated in the final recording.

Oh, and one last clarification: didn’t mean anything condescending or judgmental about “lofi”. All I meant was that I’m not skilled enough to work with samples and puzzle them together without the ability to change my mind by eg dialing the hi hat down a bit after the song is put together. So, not having the ability to stem out individual tracks for kicks, snares, hi hats, leads, basslines etc would almost surely turn my music into lofi, unintentionally. Thanks!

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Thanks for your post and point of view. Yeah, this is definitely the part I would struggle with the most on the 404. If/when I try it, I think I’ll gravitate towards using it more as a sound module and playground for experimentation rather than attempting to mix tracks on it. So, using resample the way @jemmons describe it, where you end up with phrases for the basslines, and a separate set of samples for different parts of a percussion set, and a different set of samples for textures and soundscapes, etc. In other words, for deliberate sample purposes that are then either played back as one shots or moved into the DT for sequencing from there within its dedicated tracks.

I think someone asked why I’m not using the MC-101 this way since it has all the effects already. The difference is that the workflow for resampling sucks, and there’s no sampler. With some workarounds, it could definitely be used on a budget, but I can’t say I enjoy that workflow much at all.

There’s many banks, and 16 projects, so it doesn’t have to be destructive. A distinction should be made to which I think people mean undo.

But you can save every step as a different sample, and swap them in and out as necessary.

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I gotcha. Since I 've never had one I don’t think I fully understood your post. But that sounds good too!

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There is a lot of nuance about it. I hope I am helping to clear things up by posting about it.

I try to be as clear as possible.

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Just to be clear, I’m definitely not striving for perfection (any of my published jams will be strong evidence of that!), but I’m uncomfortable trusting my ears because I’ve learned that they can’t be trusted. I can sometimes miss the mark on the bass level by +/- 5 dB, and what I hear in my headphones can sound radically different in the car. So it’s not some desire for perfection that makes me look for devices that can stem out a few separated tracks, it’s because of me recognizing that I have a lot to learn about basic mixing techniques. :blush:

That said, as long as the very core elements are separated (at the very minimum: 1 kick, 2 bass, and 3 essentially every else), I usually am able to recover from any obviously bad mistakes.

Has anybody used the app? Does it allow you to directly load samples to the SD card?

I think sound is overrated in music…In fact, at night I even prefer if my music doesn’t sound at all…I’d rather read it or eat it then, assuming its lit or tasty of course. In that sense, people like to mix things, but I like to keep it raw…I mean, mixers tend to sound mostly horrible anyway.

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It is overrated but it depends on the purpose of the music. If it’s modern dance music that has a specific function then it must be a certain loudness etc. But a lot of my favourite stuff sounds relatively crappy (e.g. SAW and songs that are available only as live versions on albums/compilations).

Often, the best parts of my music are the spaces in between the sounds. If I get those just right I’m happy.

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No, but it allows you to directly load samples to the 404.

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I spent a stupid amount of time on 5 seconds of sound and video today. :joy:

I basically sampled my Volca Modular into the SP404MKII, and did my attempt at an old school 1970s-80s TV logo/bumper vibe. Anyway, I know zero about Final Cut Pro, but learned a bit today. The amount of time I spent is pretty shameful. Even my dog is next to me giving me the stink eye.

It’s so short that I ended up using the YouTube shorts function, so it’s actually only a sliver of the video, but a 5 second YouTube video ended up being too ridiculous. Haha.

Anyway, I can report that the SP is actually pretty great for this kind of sound design and a bargain compared to say the Generation Loss/Ribbons pedals, IMHO.

https://youtube.com/shorts/VW-cm7h0a8E?feature=share

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#worthit

i enjoyed your video blip

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This is awesome!

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Really good price, by the way!

Wow. Spot on aesthetic.

All the drift from cassette sim? It really is a great box.

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