I feel you. That’s why I got all the Keysteps and BSP. Just to use with the MC101.
Did you get Analog Lab V?
Because I bought a Keystep Pro, I got a deal on it for $69!!!
It’s $199.
1 Like
I already have all the arturia stuff anyway - they haven’t been getting use as without a controller they don’t feel real to me. Going to pick 2 or 3 and learn my way around those for a while… Thinking Juno/Mini/Prophet. Don’t want to blow my mind with the Buchla just yet (or maybe just save for Sound Design only days when not knowing what I’m doing doesn’t matter).
Keylab 49 MK2 was £300 off ebay… Not bad 
was very close to BSP actually, but I felt needing to map it Vs my focus, would be a barrier.
1 Like
You’re right on the money about the BSP. It works great with the drum machines in Logic. The sequencer is soooo good on it and the KSP! I think the KeyLab has the same one?
But the 404 kinda killed the need for it though.
Here’s a quirk about that though. You make a sequence on the BSP, then just push the measure button to copy and paste on the end to extend the sequence. All drum parts in one button.
But on the KSP, you have to copy and paste EVERY drum channel one at a time. They said maybe next firmware.
That’s why maybe the BSP might come around at some point.
It doesn’t actually have a sequencer, but I can get around that with ARP and m4l tools
Oh yeah. Your set. I think m4L is way better, right?
I just tend to use the Mono Sequencer in the essentials pack - really straight forward to either randomised or draw in
1 Like
I tell you the ONLY thing that’s I hate about the 404, is that if you’re sequencing using TR REC, than you’re stuck waiting for the entire loop to come around to hear what you programmed. It’s hard to use for anything longer than 4 bars.
1 Like
One of the few area’s I’ve yet to explore. It wasn’t acting like I expected so just shelved it. It wasn’t playing the chops at the pitch I’d set them at in the bank for some reason
thinking a bit out of the (sp404) box here…
you could use a ‘separate drums’ from the rest ‘AI tool’ thing, like in Koala. Then throw the isolated drums through a limiter and mix it back with the rest after?
I think you have to set every note individually in the sub button menu. When you choose which sample to play
It only plays the original sample pitch.
What you set up was for resampling.
Or record the drums on a separate pad on the 404 and EQ them.
Same concept, but no need to leave the 404.
But he should try EQing what he got first. 404 has that filter+drive and a compressor. Both should squash some transients for him.
It’s a long winded workaround, but you can go into Pattern Edit mode (the button!), trim the start/end of the pattern (but don’t crop) exit the mode go back into TR mode then it’ll only play the section. Once done you can readjust the start/end again.
I’m really hoping for an update to TR mode where you can see and change the values of the steps. Like hold down a step and see the velocity and timing info and adjust to taste.
6 Likes
I’m back into the sp and had a good learning session yesterday. I did stumble on that and was puzzled for some time.
It looks like if I real time record in a pattern, the pitch/timing in vinyl mode gets recorded as set on the pad, and with tr mode it is reset. Once I got that I knew what to do. Either record in real time or resample the pad to use in tr mode….
One thing I find frustrating (other topic) is the FX Remain turning off each time the pattern loops. Annoying!
I like changes in 2.00 (haven’t installed 2.01 yet but there’s no behavior change as far as I know). Exit pattern record without stopping the pattern is very welcome!
2 Likes
quick question but I can use the sp as an audio interface and then sample what I hear on Windows to a pad?.
Also is there a looper introduced yet, or say a function like on the mpc where I can sample for 1 bar etc/
End snap should work.
Apologies can you explain please what you mean?. I haven’t got a sp yet so not sure what the process is?
Actually, this is a great tip! Like everything on the 404, it’s just another quirky workflow adjustment.
Thank you for this!
1 Like
Absolutely, had to look it up as I’ve not used it in a while. When end snap is on while sampling, you hit rec slightly after the beat you’d like to end on. This will snap to the last bar. As long as you tempo is good you’ll have a nice loop.
Take a look at this link.
https://static.roland.com/manuals/sp-404mk2_reference_v200/eng/37139596.html
3 Likes
And you brought receipts!
Great tip. I assume that it’s dependent that a clean start, which dictates the end beat.
1 Like
You know. I have to test this out a bit. I’m wondering how it abbreviates the sequence.
If I adjust the loop off my a half a beat, will all my new programming be quantized half a beat late?