Yeah, it’s just that the workaround means I can’t noodle the way I love to do with polyphony, that’s a big part of how I “discover” new song ideas. Even just having the previous note ring out while the next one is playing makes a big difference for these kinds of sounds. But that’s maybe just me. And it’s good that there are ways and workarounds on the Syntakt.
A master chorus send on the Syntakt would be lovely but I guess is unlikely to happen.
I believe Cuckoo did this in his video on it. He showed a shortcut to saving everything you’re working on while you’re working on it. Can’t recall if it was playing but he was in the creative flow when he did it
Shift+Write, Write, Enter. 
Curious about the logic Roland is using when designing their sequencers.
So they left out micro-timing on the SH-4d, but if has First & Last Step?
On the MV-1, Roland left out First & Last Step, but it has micro-timing and a basic Song mode.
And the MC/MV/SH all have substeps and play-direction.
Wouldn’t it be easier to code all the sequencers the same?
I’d wager they mean polyphonic strings which is more annoying to do on the Syntakt. That’s my guess anyway. I do love my Syntakt, but the mono limitation of most Elektron devices is annoying.
They can be good to explore and understand how a sound was crafted. Especially with the Syntakt where it’s not using traditional synth generation workflows.
@zaezur yeah I’m unclear if the sound can be saved while it’s playing though.
What for one is a mono limitation, is for others a multitimbral liberation 
My guess from those I know in other synth companies is that each team is working on their specific gear. I’d wager that more features will trickle into the device over its lifetime. I would be surprised if they don’t add more models.
I’ve realised today that the SH-4d is very closely aligned to the 4x Digital Parts found on the Roland JD-XA… I don’t think there’s much that the SH-4d can do that the JD-Xa can’t, but the latter does a lot more.
I would love that SH-4d screen on the JD-Xa though!
Roland ZenFreak
This looks like something with the elements of Zen Core but stripped down to not have everything all at once and instead has something more like the complex oscillator modes of the Freaks or the oscillator algorithms of the Cobalt.
My thoughts too. It is basically a microfreak groovebox. Very tempting!
I like the syntakt more. I’ve had both.
fair enough, From all the videos I have seen of the Syntakt I have not been impressed. Sounds pretty basic to me compared to MnM.
Though I’d give this thing a try for sure I wish it was not bigger as a Digi, though. And didn’t look so ugly …
Just thinking… A plug-in based on the SH4d implementation of the Zen-Core engine could work very well alongside Zenology Pro (or as a “model expansion”) on a DAW.
At a certain point my head spins at the sprawling multiverse of Roland legacy sounds. There are different versions, market niches, and design philosophies that they’ve used to repackage a half-dozen synths from the 80s/90s as—at least!— the Boutique series and its earlier iterations that (TB-3 etc), Juno X, Jupiter XM, Roland Cloud, Gaia SH-01, the JD-XA, the MC 101 and 707, MV-1, the TR-8s and -6s, ZenBeats … and then there are the different VA synth engines Zenology, Zencore, ACB.
[Edit: forgot the new Aira compact series and Juno DS88, lol, and I bet there are still more…]
After some initial skepticism, though, I think that if I were wanting to go beyond samples and the occasional bit using Analog Lab Intro, the SH-4D would be a good sound module for those Roland Sounds for me. Especially having multitimbrality and patch changes and a mod matrix that’s available to PC and CC messages respectively makes this stand out … though I feel overwhelmed by the prospect of having to confirm that this, and not a literal dozen other similar products, would have the right combination of features for me…
I think picking one and committing is the way to go. Or return gear if it doesn’t work. Decision paralysis is definitely something I understand and can relate to, especially when a lot of options exist.
I think the “gyro” is a god-awful idea, sooner or later, your cords are going to come out, you know this to be true…
Not trying to make it easier for you, but if you haven’t already, you might want to consider a used MC-101. It’s much less of a live tweakable synthesizer, but it has plenty of midi cc support to have its synth engine controlled externally, it has all the Roland sounds you could possibly imagine (and then some, with over 3000 presets and random tone generators), it comes with nearly the same generous amount of effects, including per-track inserts, master fx, EQs, multiband compressors etc, and it has four tracks of multitimbrality with something like 128 notes of polyphony.
It doesn’t have the same macro mod matrix as the SH-4d, but can certainly assign some modulations to those C1-C4 knobs, including cross-modulation between oscillators. It has those same “analog feel” parameters and Juno oscillators, and can even load custom PCM/samples/single-cycle-waveforms as tone oscillators. Technically the synth engine is a bit more advanced than the SH-4d underneath that menu structure, but it’s of course not nearly as immediately tweakable live, so it all depends on how you’ll use it. But if primarily controlled via midi cc’s, I’d say it’s more than adequate and the actual sound editor (Partial Editor), while not particularly fun to use, gets you there pretty quickly with some practice, if you know what kind of sound you’re after.
It’s also half price of the SH-4d (around 300 EUR/USD used), half size, super lightweight and easy to flip again of you don’t like it.