Check the post just above yours we replied at the same time…
There’s a lot more ways to use the OT than you think, each persons video to do the same thing might be different because they’re doing it a different way but it has a similar outcome…
Not trying to be rude or anything, but I highly encourage reading through this entire thread again… A lot of important things have been said that might easily be forgotten without reading it again…
Thanks. I’ve read through all the posts a couple of times by now. The few basic things that I want to achieve with the OT don’t actually work. I’m not giving up on the OT, but I do wonder how else I can make these things work when my machine doesn’t do what is explained in the video and this thread. Ah well, will maybe try again tomorrow.
Yeah sorry, I’m totally trying to help and want you to succeed! But it gets frustrating sometimes if I feel like I’m going in circles, I understand your probably frustrated too though!
That’s why a video of your entire process would help, it’s hard to help someone through text by remote if we don’t know exactly what you’ve done… That’s also why starting on a fresh project and doing only the things said is necessary especially when it’s getting confusing and not working. If we don’t know exactly what you’ve done we can’t help… It doesn’t help to think you have to do something else that wasn’t said and do it, it only makes it more difficult for us to help…
For reference all I do is live sample and loop with the OT for the past three years, I don’t even work with pre made samples I always record them live… I have a pretty thorough understanding of the OTs sampling features…
Sorry man I know your trying to help and that’s cool… When something gets this confusing I get a little frustrated. It’s good to try to help and that’s awesome, but I’ve been following and have read every single post you’ve made and know that it’s been confusing for you as well, it’s probably best on threads that are getting difficult to only suggest things if you know absolutely %100 percent its directly related…
The advice you posted is not the most direct way to solve the issue you had if your using a new project which we have been suggesting multiple times. By default the gain in the attributes is already set at +12, and a more appropriate way to make sure your getting a good signal would be to simply raise the volume of the source device until the inputs are green… Also since we’ve assigned the recorder buffer to flex track one, the sample will play while the sequencer is going so there’s no need to try to preview it. In the default “tracks” mode you can also just trig it with trig button 9… The audio editor may just complicate an already confusing scenario further…
Another way to record, and recording metronome. That way no synths settings, no midi.
Just a recording test.
New project
Activate metrome (Cue+Tempo)
(With headphones turn LEVEL in MIXER and set 100% main if you don’t want to hear it)
Plug a cable between CUE OUT and INAB
Track 1 : Flex, Recording 1, trig on first step
T1 Recording Setup 1 : ONE2
T1 Recording Setup 2 : PLEN
Play
T1+RECAB to start / stop recording.
So I’ve actually made a video of the process. Please excuse me for my slow workflow and the bad quality of the video. I also have to note that the only way in which I deviated (I think) from Sezare56’s explanation, is that I didn’t put the gain up of channel C+D. I tried doing that after the video but still didn’t work. If you guys can spare 5 minutes that would be really great! I really hope it’s a stupid detail I’m overlooking, and if it has been explained in this topic you can virtually kick me
side note edit: I understand now why it doesn’t assign to the free flex. It’s because there is no free flex because the flex track is occupied by the R1>Recording1.
When you pressed play I could see the record arrow move across the bar in record setup, and the play arrow at the bottom… Mentioned previously in this thread if you want to know what that means…
The recording kept going because of rlen max, but I could see the buffer being re triggered every cycle according to the bottom arrow…
You didn’t set rlen to 16, and you turned up dir in the mixer…
Try again with rlen 16 and dir in the mixer off…
Rearm the one shot, verify input selection by holding down recorder trig, press play…
If you hear anything at all it worked… If you don’t understand what I’m saying or why, don’t worry about it for now…
Just turn dir to 0, set rlen to 16, rearm the one-shot, also hold down the trig and make sure input c/d is highlighted, and press play…
If you hear anything it worked, if so I can explain why later…
Just let me know if you hear anything at all after making those changes and pressing play.
If you do any more than that or try to save the sample or something I can’t help you any more… If you do exactly what I said we might be able to figure this out…
I do exactly as you say and I hear nothing… And yeah I do know what the arrows at the bottom of the recording setup mean.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s maybe a setting on my BSII or the MIDI thru box, but there’s sound coming into the OT, so the issue must be within the OT I guess. Again, it seems like the tutorials I’ve seen/read don’t have to turn up the DIR. Maybe that’s where the problem is for me? If I don’t turn up the DIR I hear nothing.
I suggest that once you’ve verified that sound is coming through, turn down the DIR level. That way, you know sound should be coming through, and you’ll hear it when you’ve got the flex machine working correctly. Also, this means you can make the record trig a regular one (not a one-shot); as long as you still have audio coming in, it’ll play through the flex machine.
Don’t bother saving the sample yet.
As said don’t set recording to max.
Once recorded, you can also check it in Rec Setup 1 > Fn+Bank > EDIT THIS RECORDING
You should see a waveform, you should be able to play with FN+YES.
You can also do as @pselodux and @Open_Mike said about regular red trig.
Have fun, you will succed !
You can record all ABCD inputs if you’re not sure.
Sometimes I just record a cable buzz for tests…
Also it helps to have your MIDI test trigs set up so they’re at the beginning of the pattern, rather than in the middle; it’ll be easier/quicker to test it this way.
Your so close…
Make sure rlen is 16…
Make sure input selection for record trig had the c/d section highlighted…
Make sure track is not muted…
Maybe try with a solid record trig instead of one shot…
something to mention is that the midi tracks and the audio tracks and the recording tracks are three separate things on the Octatrack.
none of them are linked.
the Recording Screen will be referring to Recording Track 1 if Audio Track T1 is selected/lit-up whilst the Recording Screen is open, but that is the only referential connection.
a seemingly obvious statement to make, and yet worthwhile to mention.
OT has lots of ways to sample, and lots of ways to monitor… We’ve been trying to set you up with a basic one-shot looper, that will record a pattern cycle when you arm the one shot and then loop it…
Here’s another very simple way without the looping that might make more sense using manual sampling…
Bye the way, are you ever hearing sound out of both speakers in your trials?
Because if mixer direct is monitoring and the synth is only plugged into C, it will only come out of the left speaker… If you have heard sounds out off the right speaker it was the flex track playing the recording…
This why I’ve been suggesting to turn dir off… If the scenario works the flex will play the recording, but if you have mixer dir up it will come through the mixer and the flex so you won’t know which your hearing, but now I realize you can tell by if it’s coming out of the left only or both speakers…
So I tried again just now. Turned down DIR, placed some MIDI trigs, placed a regular recording trig instead of one-shot, put the RLEN to 16 steps, all according to your latest suggestions, but still no sound. When I choose to ‘edit this recording’ I can see the waveform of the recording, I just can’t hear it.
@Open_Mike, I’m hearing sound out of both my speakers. I have a stereo jack cable going from the BSII to OT input C. So when DIR is turned up I hear sound coming from both speakers, not just one. BSII is a mono machine, probably that’s why? the whole mono vs stereo thing is still kind of new and sometimes confusing to me. I also just tried a different cable - single stereo jack going into the BSII and 2 mono jacks going into input C+D, but then the actual signal only comes into channel C.
The other recording method you suggested also doesn’t work for me. I get the recording started, play some keys and then stop. I load a flex and assign recording1. When I press trig 9 nothing happens. I do see the waveform again if I choose to edit the recording in the recording setup though. By the way, when you say press 9, doesn’t that correspond to MIDI channel 1? I imagine I would have to press trig 1 to play Recording1, which I placed on Track 1. But that also doesn’t work. Don’t know if I made sense.
Should I be worried that this is a manufacturing fault? Up until now I’ve had faith that it’s just me and this intricate device, but what else can I try to make this work?
Trig 9 triggers track 1 machine, in regular play mode.
So you can hear BSII with DIR?
Do you use Main Outs ?
Can you hear other Flex / Statics sample slots, with files on CF ?
Can you still hear what you recorded playing it with your computer?
So I think it’s an user error. I think you missed a little something.
I guess if you can hear CF files you can hear Recordings.
Don’t know what to say except ask @socaldreamer a video tutorial ?
Won’t write same things again…
Do as simple as possible.