This is the dream right here. The question we all have is will we ever be able to use all the awesome M4L sequencers with Push in standalone? I suspect we will, but thats when this device goes to a level that hasn’t really been seen before.
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Interesting. I wonder what I am missing. What can the Hapax do that the Push cannot do? I do understand that the Hapax is designed to be able to easily sequence sounds from multiple different external sources simultaneously, which is how I use it in my studio. One reason I am keeping my Hapax, for now, is to see if I can accomplish similar workflows with P3 (hook it up to several different external midi instruments and sequence them all at the same time). If I can do that with the P3, the Hapax seems redundant.
As capable? Its not even close unless you are assuming the Push will never get Max4Live support. Ableton has far more sequencing capabilities than any hardware sequencer.
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I have/had that too. If no serial number is listed then it’s not been properly set up. Drop Ableton support a note with the serial number on the bottom of your unit and then they will update things for you.
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Sounds like he is not using the “external instrument” and “external effect” devices (or whatever they are called). There you can compensate for latency. Does of course not help with live playing but should compensate while sequencing.
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that means nothing, you need to click on VIEW SERIAL NUMBERS that will tell you exactly all your serial numbers of all Ableton products/packs/Push you have. If Push 3 is not on that list then you wont get the choir pack until it is, by either registering your Push 3 using its registration number on the base of your Push 3 or by getting Ableton support to do it, providing them with photo of the base of Push 3 showing its serial number and registration number.
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Thanks for the clarification. Push is however already listed in the View Serial Numbers section with a serial.
I’m assuming @MGFM is referring to Hapax’s ability to sequence other hardware.
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Yep, did that a week or so ago and I’m still waiting to hear back. They did send an automated response saying they haven’t forgotten and will get to it eventually. They must be super slammed right now.
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Push 3 listed?
Deleting the crashing set on the Push and re-importing it from Ableton seems to have fixed the crashing issue, for now.
I also recommend doing the update to 1.1.1, although there is no mention of any bugfixes compared to 1.1
P.S. Make sure to delete the ‘Backups’ folder in the project, when replacing the offending set.
The re-imported set would still crash until the backup was deleted.
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Yeah has to be, and as of now it is not as capable but I firmly expect that will change down the road.
I am mainly using the Opal devices individually along with some other Fors synths like Glanta and Superberry. It’s very funky.
Like I said, I work on Push and Live at the same time. When deep editing is done, Set gets transferred to Standalone to check if these is any issues.
This to me is an extremely useful workflow. Because I have best of both worlds when editing HW & SW, plus, whatever I make is instantly on Live for production and rendering out.
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I got my replacement push from Ableton (my master volume encoder was broken). Thankfully the replacement device seems perfect hardware wise. Whew.
I did notice I was getting very weird software issues (even on 1.1.1) - knobs wouldn’t change values in devices, etc. after a factory reset it all works fine now. No crashes yet.
I do think something in the post factory setup was probably missed - the devices likely need a full factory reset after unboxing. (Also because this device also didn’t show the startup tutorial but loaded into an existing set on first boot).
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I’m talking about the push 3 hardware on it’s own right now, the sequencing options are very basic using just the hardware vs what you can do on the Hapax.
@michaeljk1963 You have piano roll editing and per note velocity and chance but not much else, sure max4live extends this but for me right now max4live devices cause it to crash and aren’t properly represented on the interface.
With the hapax the options you have available are exhaustive, with the midi effects you get lots of real time semi-generative options which combine to create very unpredictable results. Linear piano roll sequencing is far more versatile. You can harmonise all the tracks to a chord track, algorithmically generate sequences, per clip playback speed, direction, per note logic…so much stuff.
The Push 3 will get there with updates for sure I have no doubt but it’ll come down to Max4Live using the extremely powerful Novel Music Seeds for example, but it needs more reliable and comprehensive integration.
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Agree. Only a matter of time I suspect.
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Good point. Thanks. It turns out the Push I have registered has a different serial. Maybe it’s my old Push 2. I tried manually registering the Push 3S and it’s telling me that it’s already registered to a different email address. Which makes no sense because it’s a new unit that should have been automatically linked to this account, the same one I bought it through. This at least explains why I haven’t been able to access Expressive Choir. I sent them a follow up email with more info. Let’s see what they come up with.
My Hapax is definitely at risk of being sold at the moment (mostly because I’m losing confidence it’s going to get the support I was expecting), but I would say that the whole workflow for sequencing external hardware with MIDI beyond note data on Live is godawful, and it’s even more compromised (if you can even describe it as existing) on current standalone Push. That could be improved in time, but given the foundation it’s on top of I’m not expecting heaps there. Hopefully some genius comes up with a M4L device that gives you a direct way to get MIDI CC out with configurable instrument definitions. I’m expecting long term there’ll be so many great, well integrated M4L devices that the Push is going to be pretty unbeatable as a hw sequencer though.
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Glad your getting somewhere I had a couple of Push’s registered along with the Push trade in for Push 2 years ago, and now Push 3, They will sort it, just a little overwhelmed currently it seems.
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I‘m sad to hear that you are experiencing these problems. What latency is acceptable is of course somewhat a personal thing especially when it comes to plucked strings.
But based on previous observations in this thread you should be able to get decent round trip latency times. Perhaps you can compare the test someone did a bit earlier in this thread to your own observations to see if your push is having similar latency or if something else is up.
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