Push 3 Users Thread

The more I work with the Push 3 standalone, the more I find it working for me. This time, I tried more composition within Live, and tried to use more of its stock synths, to pretty great results.

I’m still mainly using the Push 3 as an “untether at the last minute” device, and I’m not sure I would enjoy using it if I were solely working on the P3 itself. But for getting tracks set up, minimizing the juggling of information in my head, and designing longer live sets, I’m not sure the P3S can be beat for me right now. This set feels like it’s putting itself together.

I adore so many pieces of hardware, but with this one device, I’m ready to put on a set; the only other piece of gear I could possibly do that with is the Octatrack, and while I love its performance more, it would take a lot more mental juggling for me. Loving the Push 3 standalone!

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Hello fellow nauts, I am once again considering going back ITB/HYBRID. As such, I have some questions for the standalone users (the online manual isn’t that helpful, or I might be overlooking something):

  • can you use midi lfo in standalone mode to get extra LFOs for a hardware synth (in my case, an OB6)

  • does it have midi learn in standalone mode? If not, can you save custom mappings?

  • how is the general experience using it as a studio brain/centerpiece (I do want to use 1/2 analog synths)

It’s decent if you are just using it as a sequencer. That’s probably how I’ve used my push for 90% of the time I’ve had it. If you want to control your stuff directly from the push via CCs and such you will need to set all of that up on the computer if I’m not mistaken - I haven’t actually tried because I’ve never liked controlling my synths from one central hub device.
In fact everything goes much smoother if you set up a template with your midi and audio tracks on the computer and transfer it to the push. When you start a new project you can just copy that template. Then when you transfer your set from push to the computer to finish things up the recording process will go fairly smoothly.

There is currently a pretty wicked bug with sending midi out of Push that can generate absolutely ridiculous latency - like a full second after you press a pad your external device will make a sound. It comes and goes unpredictably, but once it strikes you have to just restart the device. This will of course eventually be patched out, but it’s something to be aware of.

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  1. Yes, however you will need to build your rack with LFOs and max devices to send the midi CC in the box first before using it in standalone and save it as a preset (full disclosure, I haven’t done this yet myself so open to correction but it should work)

  2. No, it’s another one that you’ll probably need to set up your mappings in templates in the box before going to standalone - I have e.g. DJ sets with another controller mapped and they work seamlessly when I plug the same controller in standalone.

In terms of mapping internally, it’s not standard but there are some Max devices that have started to allow for mapping parameters from LFOs etc. directly in standalone. But it hasn’t bothered me enough that I’ve tried them, so can’t comment on how well it works.

I’m still working this way too most of the time, happy enough to do most of my building in Live then go to standalone to improvise. But I have been starting to use the Push in a much more conventional way than I did for my first few months where it was all playing custom sets rather than starting with an empty set in standalone.

I think this has started to come together a lot because I’ve gotten more organised about my presets and user library with a view to standalone, back when I was just in Live I wouldn’t really bother with an extensive preset library, often I’d just build racks ad hoc to fit the project, which doesn’t work so well in standalone.

Because I started with Live long before it had sample slicing I’ve never really seen it as a core function or something it does, usually went to MPCs for this, but it’s been going really well just pulling in a track for my “to sample” folder, warping and converting to simpler all in standalone. I will say though that while it’s great to have samples and chops automatically locked in time, the downside is that Everything. Is. On. The. Grid. feel of Ableton that kinda made me gravitate away from it in recent years, but that can be worked with … I know I could always turn warping off but it’s really handy for just working ideas up to finalise later.

Personally, I still haven’t really tried it for sequencing other gear, there’s a whole universe in the box just using the stock plugins and max devices, so I didn’t feel in much of a hurry to start bringing other devices into the equation. More so than a studio brain, it could easily be your entire studio, it can do everything from sequencer and synths through to high quality guitar effects and amp sims.

The key thing to bear in mind, as above, there does seem to be a baked in assumption that you’re going to do a lot of stuff in Live to customise how you work in standalone. Not an issue for me personally, though, it’s actually one of the things I really like about it.

My main problem at the moment is that I’m finding transfers to and from the device way, way slower than I remember them being a month ago, currently on the latest 12 beta. Left a 20gb-ish folder on overnight and it still only got about half way through after 10 hours. Ended doing a factory reset, which helped a little, but I still feel like it’s way slower than it should be - e.g. a 150mb project from Push to Mac took nearly 15 minutes earlier. For me, downloading packs is far quicker than doing a transfer on my home network. Not sure is this out of whack with what others are experiencing?

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Definitely you’ve a problem there. Will check tomorrow with time control sending to mine some big proyects to check

Thanks @benway and @m0ld. The midi latency bug would be a dealbreaker for me, but I can’t imagine that they will not solve that.

The rest sounds perfect, as I will only have 1/2 synths I will use with it.

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Just got my P3S… what would be the equivalent of Analog Rytm machines (drum related ones) in push 3 standalone? Ableton Drum Synth?

Getting back to my P3 this week after a while to start prepping for a 1h live performance for next month. What are the current statuses about the different versions being stable/having a steady midi-clock/syncing external gear?

It’s still on the latest Live 11 Stable version.

I’m on 2.01 (one behind latest stable FW) and midi works beautifully with a P10 desktop, except:

  1. After a while (30 mins maybe), sometimes about .5 - 1 sec of latency to the P10 occurs. Only restarting the push has fixed this for me so far. I hope they fix this soon.

  2. When I play the P10 with the pads, then capture midi, autiomation is sometimes stored for certain parameters on the P10. For example if I turn the Aftertouch Filt/LFO button (of the P10) off halfway through a 4 bar loop (that I’ve captured via the capture midi button), it will come back on at the start of the loop. I still haven’t worked out if/how you can clear external instrument automation.

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Somebody knows how to manage samples using standalone?
I´ve a project that is a sequencer template for my Modular. I would like to record some samples to use them later on PC, OT, DT… whatever. But I don´t want to save the project, I only want to save samples so that can be transferred later.
I don´t understand how this works. I found some recordings of mine in “Samples” folder, but it´s impossible to find anything there since there are thousands of samples sorted alphabetically and I don´t know why there are just some recordings but others don´t…

Please help :frowning: Thannks!

I would rather save the project under a new name if you want to avoid saving your template. Then transfer the project to computer and copy the samples folder to wherever you like. Then you can delete the project from the computer

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Thank you so much…

That means that those sounds I record cannot be used from an easy to browse sound pool for other projects within the Push Standalone right?

Midi is bugged, there are a lot of complaints about latency. Best what you can do is open a support ticket and submit a technical support request. That’s what a lot of Push 3 owners did and maybe one day it will be fixed.

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With this device you can store recorded samples in a created “Recordings” folder in the P3 SA User Library.

Recorder Device

It allows you to choose between 16/24 bits wav files and it creates automatic names based on tags and created date and time.

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Is anyone using midi controllers with P3S?
I’m looking to add some mixer controls, mainly faders for live tweaking.
However I don’t want to map manually, because jumping between projects and map each project to midi controller and then remember what’s what is a pain.
So natively supported control surfaces only.
There’s bunch of options, but looks like only few work out of the box with P3S.
Namely akai apc range seems to be working, but there’s no definitive list.
I tried connecting old Novatiol Zero SL which worked fine in Ableton on computer, on P3S, nada.
I do have EC4 and Behringer Xtouch mini laying around but those need custom scripts or Mackie protocol, not currently supported on P3S.
Oh and motorised faders would be great :slight_smile:

So right now I’m looking at Presonus Faderport 8 or old Behringer BCF2000, which should be natively supported. Both are pretty big&heavy but if it works I can live with that.
Can anyone confirm Faderport or BCF work with P3S please?
Or does anyone have a better idea?
If not I guess I’ll settle for APC40mk2 and keep dreaming of motorized faders :slight_smile:

thanks!! works like a charm :four_leaf_clover:

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It seems like you want knobs and faders, so this answer is more a general answer for others, but the Launchpad Pro 3 works, and has a fader mode, and send FX modes.

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Check ICON P1-X P1-X - Icon Pro Audio. In Reddit some users report using it with Push3. Also it’s expandable and you have the optional per channel screens.

It did, thank you. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: I guess it’s a sign that Ableton’s US distribution is finally under control if even the phantom tracking number was ultimately resolved.

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Strange Bug with my p3 SA here. No add to matrix routing possible on every Synth or fx with modulation matrix anymore. I have latest firmware installed. When i touch a controller the add to matrix button stays grey. In Control Mode with a Computer it works fine.

Does someone else here have this strange issue? I send Support ticket to ableton but they said it could take longer time to fix it. What a fu*** shit…sorry for that.