Push 3 Users Thread

I’d guess there is something wonky with version 11.3.2

Never had crashes before in Ableton and experienced 4 this afternoon. That’s a wrap for me. The non-responsive pad lockout also only seems to happen on MPE instruments so far. Definitely not going to be live playing anytime soon if there is a risk of a track becoming non-responsive while filming. The solution as mentioned above is to enter and exit session view.

Some more Standalone related Q’s that I can’t find answers to in the manual:

  1. How do I delete a scene in standalone?
  2. How do I reorder scenes in standalone?
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Delete press delete then the scene launch button, if I remember correctly. Reorder I’m not sure.

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Thanks, I got scene deletion working as you suggested by switching to Session Pad Mode.

Anyone manage to re-order scenes yet?

I have not been able to check it further, but I assume that what is shown can be transferred to the Push 3.

Ups, i read your question again, i’m not sure about scenes, but you can consolidate all “playing” clips to a new scene.

Duplicate — In Scene Workflow, Duplicate creates a new scene containing all of the currently playing clips. In Clip Workflow, Duplicate creates a copy of the currently selected clip in the next clip slot, while continuing playback of any currently playing clips in other tracks. Hold Duplicate while pressing a Drum Rack pad to copy the pad and paste it to a new location in the Drum Rack. Hold Duplicate while pressing a track selection button to duplicate that track. In Session Mode, hold Duplicate and press a clip to copy it. Continue holding Duplicate and tap another clip slot to paste the clip there.

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Thanks. This is one of the most powerful arranging features in session mode.

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I ordered it on Friday so i should get my hands on one hopefully in a couple of weeks. Cant wait!
While i wait i have a couple of question for all of you guys, since i cannot get that info from youtube/internet.

I\m happy with my Maschine plus for everything but for arranging and finishing a polished song. Also if i use sampled timestretched audio - for example, 8 bars of a looped synth performance - it starts to turn my M+ glitchy and unstable, so i only use sliced audio and max one timestreched loop. The push seems to solve this 2 problems for me. I\ve used Push one and then Push 2 for 2/3 years - untill 2015- and i liked it as a studio/ composition tool but i don’t even remember very well the workflow and i want to know how good is push 3 is for live performance? Do you consider it more as a Studio tool or a live tool?
Specifically if any of you guys know the Maschine ecosystem, does the P3 has good alternatives to group macros, performance fx, locked states (aka function - no in Elektron devices)?

Also how fast the Ui is? In my M+ i can unlatch a the mute page and press mute and the sound that i want to mute, so fast that i don’t even see the pad color changing - really, that fast. This might seem like an exaggeration and being picky about Ui and general smothness of perfomance of P3, but is something that its really on top of my priorities.

When you have a finished project, how easy to you start to see decreases on the graphical and general interface performance of the p3 - i mean changing, menus, instruments, accessing all of the p3 important parts of as an instrument that are important for a live performance?

Finally, the amazing timestretching capabilities. How heavy is it on the cpu and how does it afects its performance?

I\ll be using it only standalone, record a performance and then mixed it and master it on Ableton Live.

Thanx in advance!

Anyone? :grimacing:

Ok, in mine volume and tempo knobs works as expected, but wondering about that problem with the main jogwheel, is not very comfortable not to feel half of the turn the same way, when you are browsing fast is like some kind of resistance is applied to half of the turn.

Anyone with same problem? Maybe should open a ticket.

Btw, the problem with the avilable packs not available is hapenning here all the time, adding a new midi track and doing from there sometimes works, but not always. I’m not sure but feels like is a wifi connection lost or something? Because when I go to wifi and reconnect, then packs appears there again. Weird…

I’d be interested to know this for non-standalone too, as Push 2 is kind of slightly annoyingly laggy I’d say

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As far as I know Ableton knows about that „available packs“ issue

I’m curious about different sequencers, is it possible to use Isotonik Studios sequencers, for example, in standalone mode?

I was considering getting an Oxi One but I’m worried about the overlap. I have mostly outboard gear and would love to have Push 3 mainly for easy sampling and effects, using the ADAT Interface.

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You should. Especially now since there is and will be higher than usual support ticket volume during launch. I would classify that as a hardware fault. I did a ticket for the cable, and I expect they will ship me a replacement.

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I can only tell you what I think and what I have done with the Push in the last four days.

Studio or performance tool?

I would say both. The strengths of Push (or the strengths of the Push concept) are clearly in the creation phase. It’s very fast, even faster if you have a few things in mind beforehand.

Performing is of course also great, but you might want to have an extra controller (Faderfox etc) on the side, as some functions are not always directly controllable from push; mixer volume vs device control, for example, are not accessible at the same time on an encoder page.

What push doesn’t do well is everything in between. But everyone has their own view on that, so I’ll save that for now. But things like highly complex arranging, automation data editing etc. are not found on Push and I think most of it makes more sense on a DAW.

UI

About the UI snappines, I can only tell you that it actually runs well, but sometimes it definitely comes to the one or other dropouts. I don’t mean the audio at all but actually the UI. So compared to the M+ is the Push 3 not so snappi. But most of the time it doesn’t bother me. We’re talking about a few nano seconds.

Mute/unmute I like better on the M+. But this is due to the layout of the buttons on the Push, no idea why they have made a thick poti (tempo) under the buttons, which disturbs a little. In addition, you always have to exert a decent pressure on the push to trigger the buttons. But all in all, the function is similar.

Timestretching

Is pure gold with the Push, no comparison to the M+. This is a completely different league.
Ableton Live is simply better at the core in terms of working with audi, but to see the whole thing in standalone is very impressive.

(Almost) Everything you know from Live with clips also works on the Push 3. As an example take my session from Saturday. I sampled whole vinyls into the Push, so whole tracks (7min+) from start to finish. On the Push you can edit the audioclip, select the 1st downbeat with the JogWheel and then warp it with the grid. Takes a few seconds. And this usually runs directly in sync with the project.

I ended up with 20 tracks in the set, all running with “complex” warp algos. That didn’t jolt the push. But what is very fast with it, is to empty the battery.

I did this all with 44100. So no idea how it behaves at higher sample rates.

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So that would work if Ableton fixes the problem with the usermode in Push standalone mode. The user mode does not yet work in standalone. But it is needed for all sequencers whose step input is based on the pad matrix.

Sequencers that do not need this already work, if you have mapped the controls for push in m4l.

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For performance, I miss (but I don’t know if it’s maybe there, but I didn’t find it) is the final „macro page“ you have on the force, where you can assign any parameter from any track to the 8 encoders, so you have direct access to let’s say the filter cutoff of all synths at the same time.
Having that would (for me) remove the need to add an external controller for performing.

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Thanx a lot for this!

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Asked on the other 3D but my comment got buried. What about macro variations standalone?

Is it possible to set them directly from the the push?

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Mine’s also quite off. When I turn counterclockwise, there’s a ‘gap’ and then it starts clicking. and yeah it’s really really soft and feels loose.

Would appreciate if someone else actually films and show it’s supposed to be working.

Really looks like they forgot 1 step in the QC department. I just received mine and also got the “do you want to recorder your work?” Message. I chose no and am now doing a factory reset.

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I would assume that they removed a few test projects when moving from test to release version way to short before hardware was flashed and missed to change the default setting.
Or maybe it tried to reload a suite project with elements that you don’t have when you boot it up first time.
Those bugs are terrible in a way that they are no big deal but everybody sees them, the bug starts the fresh user experience and it could have been found very easy.
I can feel with the team. I am sure they let the person in charge know about that over the next couple of months :slight_smile:

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