Polyend Tracker

Hi! Dual Trackers sequencing Digitakt and Digitone, being processed by DLD & Mimeophon
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Is anyone having issues with the internal audio being 20ms late?
Apparently if you use it as a MIDI sequencer, for some reason, the internal audio is 15-20ms late. Which is kind of a showstopper.
Is this overal latency of the unit? What happens if you record into the sequencer? Is there a 20ms latency aswell?
20ms is waayyy too much for a hardware sequencer

i have this problem ever since and i wrote them regarding this pretty often. the sync issue with external clock got solved at some point and i was really wondering why almost no one would complain about this? anyways - the latency still exists when you use the PT internally clocked / as a master device. So using it as a four part drum machine plus 4 part midi sequencer plus clocking a small modular rig and another drummie does not work out, at all. Live performing is not a big deal right now you might say, but if that’s your way to record basically everything - unfortunately it’s a showstopper at the moment - of course ONLY as long as audio is involved.
Waiting for a major and proper update/reports, until then we part ways :confused:

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Yes that is unacceptable for a hardware sequencer.

Trackers are tight and accurate. This thing is sloppy as hell apparently.
I will pass on this one for sure.

But seriously. A sequencer-sampler with only 8 mono voices and a max of 8 tracks in total, with very limited MIDI automation capabilities should be tight. No excuses. I think a game boy can do a better job.

And if it can’t be fixed because of “hardware limitation”, then at least implement a manual per track delay compensation. Better than nothing.

If I was you, I would demand my money back.

Dear Elektron, build us a hardware tracker please :slight_smile:

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No. No issues here. Tight. But I’m using a powered USB hub. How are you connected.

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Polyend says:

Our internal audio buffer is 128 samples long which at 44,100 Hz is 3ms. Sometimes we need additional buffer space but it should be nowhere near 20ms. We’re still investigating this side of the story.

So it’s possible this will get better. That said, it’s pretty clear your priorities and Polyend’s aren’t in alignment. Even if they dropped the latency, there will be something that will rub you the wrong way and isn’t top on their list to fix. Probably best to give this one a pass.

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Polyend makes sequencers. It is what they do. Timing is a fundamental part of sequencers. Therefor timing is a fundamental / core element of the company. It should be high priority. It has nothing to do with my priorities.

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As of beta firmware 1.3.1b3 going to the sample record page stops playback of the internal sounds. You can press play once there and the sequencer starts again but no sound is produced. The manual says it outputs midi in this state but I haven’t tested it

It should indeed be possible to play the sequencer and record the audio in simultaneously. I read it in the manual 10 minutes ago.
It’s probably a beta bug then

I mean, you wouldn’t be happy with it, right? And other people (like myself) are happy with it. That’s all due to the differences in your and my priorities and how they line up with Polyend’s.

No judgement, I’m 100% sure you have damn good reasons for wanting the things you want. I’m just saying wanting them from a company that doesn’t rank them like you do is only going to end in tears.

Tracker doesn’t do this so looks like it won’t work out for you.

Edit: oops my mistake. I meant to respond to your question about recording input while in pattern page while hearing the other channels, but this has been cleared up below:)

It’s not a beta bug. This is the way the Tracker has always worked. It’s a hardware limitation that you can’t playback and sample so far as I know. See this FAQ item.

You guys don’t read do you.
Playing back - hearing input
and
playing back - recording input
are two different things.
It is def a bug. Please read the manual and the bug posted above.

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It does. Well it is suppose to. As it is clearly written in the manual.

But yeah I’m done. At least with this thread.

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Well that was lovely.

In other news, I keep thinking about how much I enjoyed working with the Tracker. Looking forward to getting back to it once I get through a few other songs.

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I hear you. Definitely my favorite hardware of 2020. But I’m more a synth guy, and not comfortable enough yet with samplers that it’s my go-to for when I have a specific project in mind.

Late nights, though, when I get to pick up something for fun? The PT’s where I always end up.

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Just to be perfectly clear for anyone else who is wondering about sampling on the Tracker -

The Tracker will only play audio or record audio. Never both at the same time.
You cannot hear the internal audio of your patterns while sampling the external input.

However, while sampling, the sequencer will output any midi information that you’ve programmed into the sequencer if you want it to.

It is possible to monitor the line input in stereo while internal audio plays but you cannot record it at the same time.

At this time the manual is not super clear about this so I asked Polyend directly and that is what they told me. It is not a bug.

Now, moving on. I’m really looking forward to creating with this sweet little machine!

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Can you run the external input through the reverb in real time, as with the Digitone?

No. They go through the master FX, not send FX. It comes in at the stage of the limiter. It can be used as a side chain signal

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not sure i understand. is the monitored always dry, or can it be effected?