How many scenes can be in memory at a time, like can you have lots of patterns and samples loaded for a hour long set without having to stop to load?
16 scenes x 16 sample slots. 16 scenes x 16 patterns. Not sure how big the DJS internal drive is. The Toraiz drive is about 7 gigs.
Some other minor detailed differences
DJS does mutes per pattern. SP does not.
DJS has a better/deeper undo function
SP has sends and master FX. However, you can only use either the sends or master FX. Canât use both at the same time
Since the DJS has no send FX, the only reverb is on the performance FX
DJS does not have a volume control
DJS has a hot swap scene function.g Meaning, you can just jump straight to another pattern inside a different scene versus picking a scene than a choosing a pattern. SP canât do the hot swap.
Extending a sequence on the SP automatically copies the bars. On the DJS, you have to manually do it
Little stuff like all that.
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I think you described this backwards the sp is built like a tank and the djs is plastic.
the djs stores everything on a usb drive no usable memory
Iâve had the sp16 since release and the sound and filters as a standalone unit still canât be beat. Pioneer recently responded to me and said that they are working on a firmware update but didnât say when it will be released. With all the backlash Pioneer received from 1.4 I think the next update will be a good one.
it was deserved hope it will have a positive effect especially for producers. At least if they donât want to go to far in the functionality⌠it would be better to change the terms of marketing and communication, that the target is the djs as always⌠(Even if here i would say mixing is important for a DJ and they failed on the non-destructive mixing internal stuff capabilities.)
I had both side by side for about 4 or 5 days. The DJS has a much more solid and heavy build versus the SP. the SP feels like a toy compared to the DJS.
I never noticed the fact the DJS was made with plastic. IMO itâs built that well.
I think the convertors are indetical on the SP-16 and DDJ only difference is the stereo Analog filter is missing
It just makes no sense that Pioneer would degrade the sound quality , in fact i think its impossible that the SP-16 would sound better if you took the DSI filter out of the equation.
Ok that is a key piece of information and something I would like to do with the Octatrack --i think the closest it can get to this is here
The Octatrack just falls short, just barely out of reach of what ILL-GREEN just described.That can be read as a pretty tidy summation of the humanity I suppose ; the OT strains for something greater, but never quite gets there. 
I feel you there, but what ILL-GREEN describes can be done on OT.
I mean: you can sample and chop what you already have sampled as long as you wonât use not-yet-sampled incoming real time audio. Those real-time sampled audio can be timestretched, reversed, high pitched etc.
The sound is not degraded on the DJS. Itâs very crisp, clean and loud. It just sounds different than the SP, for the reasons you mention.
Will do, I currently own the MPC Live too.
Seems you need some kind of looper. The MPC Live does have a Looper feature to layer loops as it records.
The DJS might be what you looking for in terms of live sampling and performing at the same time, its built for live settings. The Toraiz too but I donât have one. DJS can edit and timestretch samples in realtime as the sequencer plays as well as sampling but its limit is 32 seconds per sample unless it gets an update which Iâm sure will arrive shortly.
Oh wow, thats cool, so the DJS and the SP are almost identical under the hood. I guess a simple update of Live Sampling for the Toraiz will make it desirable. Again Pioneer missed another opportunity to corner the market.
I been trying to help them too since the announcement of the MPC Live, I told them to lower the price of the Toraiz way back in Jan. â17 because Akai is coming but they come across kinda Godâs gift to the world. By the time they did lower the price, MPC sales were already dominating and people were abandoning the Toraiz for the new kid on the block. Then they release the DJS-1000 and they donât even have a proper forum for it or a decent faq page. I made multiple requests for a forum or subforum but again it the Godâs gift to the world attitude again with Pioneer saying no need for another forum when users can post in the Toraiz forum. Its a shame we have to gather in other companiesâ forums to speak about these products.
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I know, right? Gearslutz, ElektronautsâŚ
Câmon Pioneer DJ forums. Maybe no one cares
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Most stuff on the DJS I found by accident, not even in the manual. Would be cool to have a dedicated forum for users to share stuff they found. Because most cats didnât know you can chop a sample as its sampling to multiple pads, I wonder what goodies Iâm overlooking, you know.
I found this inn YouTube this morning. Some other sampling possibilitiesâŚresample the performance FX
Trying to come to grips with the Toraiz arranger and the scenes I gave them another go (below). You can get a lot going on with the scenes.
Also, the nice part about the arranger is you can jump in and out of patterns and scenes while everything is running. Alternatively, as you go through your scenes and patterns, you can just drop them into the arranger without starting the arranger. You can just build up an arrangement.
Pioneer did a good job of implementing this set-up. You can also record into patterns as the arranger is playingâŚgood stuff.
OK, still trying to come to grips with the scenes and the arranger. Hereâs another take
Sounds very good to my ears, could you explain a bit your workflow with the DJS ? Is this all prerecorded loops? What did you sample?* How is the volume automation done?