Wow, seriously? That’s the point you want to make in this thread?
“David Lord’s ADAT” (Producer of Peter Gabriel IV).
This is all technical… what really matters is how it sounds! Look at te Fairlight the specs are outdated but the sound is really better![/quote]
Sorry, this is not just “technical” - it’s basic sound physics. Everyone needs to at least watch from 5:40 - 7:30 and lookup Nyquist. Thanks Baddcr for the link!
Not at all. Why would you expect that? It will be different circuity in both instances, so it won’t null.
If I record a pass through a Weiss converter, and the same pass through a Prism converter, will it null? No. Does it matter that it won’t?
The point isn’t whether or not the A/D is the same.
The point is whether or not it really matters in the grand scheme.
That too… it’s one of my favourite videos on the whole web… sad nerd that I am :)[/quote]
I loved the squiggled line drawing and explanation!
Try to see it in a bigger picture and think what it would be for mainstream Elektronauts!
Just an Elektron Machine with one USB-C connector… because most users don’t hear the difference…
Look at Apple’s new MacBook… one USB‑C port to rule them all…
For now, I don’t expect that Elektron would do that.
However for the Roland Aira…
One Roland mixer and for the rest only USB-C
My main argument is that it cost to much time and energy to develop OverBridge! I’ve seen this before with Access and it’s still not perfect. But also Symbolic Sounds Kyma System and they cancelled the project.
There are to much protocols and changes of updates with DAW’s and Mac OS & Windows. So to keep OverBridge UpToDate would be a race against time.
Bottom line, I like to see the focus on hardware with Elektron…
This is all technical… what really matters is how it sounds! Look at te Fairlight the specs are outdated but the sound is really better![/quote]
Sorry, this is not just “technical” - it’s basic sound physics. Everyone needs to at least watch from 5:40 - 7:30 and lookup Nyquist. Thanks Baddcr for the link![/quote]
I’ve seen this a long time ago and I watched it again.
I’m not talking about sampling frequencies with AD/DA convertors.
What’s important on audio interfaces is clocking, analog circuitry and the power supply! No mention about that in the explanation video…
why would this even matter? unless you are recording to tape and cutting vinyl your tracks will be digitized at some point
Just do a test go to your pro audio dealer and borrow some audio interfaces to test and listen with your own equipment and check if you hear any difference and if it’s worth for you. If so, buy one!
This is all technical… what really matters is how it sounds! Look at te Fairlight the specs are outdated but the sound is really better![/quote]
Sorry, this is not just “technical” - it’s basic sound physics. Everyone needs to at least watch from 5:40 - 7:30 and lookup Nyquist. Thanks Baddcr for the link![/quote]
I’ve seen this a long time ago and I watched it again.
I’m not talking about sampling frequencies with AD/DA convertors.
What’s important on audio interfaces is clocking, analog circuitry and the power supply! No mention about that in the explanation video…[/quote]
True, and this is what differentiates an RME or an Apogee from something like an M-Audio (clock, noise, analog components, pre-amps, etc). Still, people should know the theory behind “perfectly executed” A/D sampling…
The main attraction for me is the fact that I can record more than 2 tracks at a time, the only soundcard I have is an apogee duet, so I have to overdub tracks and sync being what it is things tend to lose it’s original feel when recording with the rytm synced to ableton for example using a duet. I have faith in Elektron, although the wait for overbridge is excrutiating. I hope they pull it off and deliver something amazing. The other thing that piqued my interest was Cenk talking about a sync that was tighter than midi, a new technology to sync the machines to computers.
I think the coding on the actual machines/hardware is much more intricate than what they’re doing for Overbridge. If they can create firmware/dsp code for MD, MnM, OT, A4/AK, and AR, they can certainly deal with something like Overbridge over USB. I think they just want it to be perfectly executed, hence the longer wait…
Dealing with the various DAWs, plugin formats, OS versions, … is a complicated thing. Developing for the Elektron machines might be a lot more critical on performance, optimization and maybe harder to develop, but they know exactly which hardware the program will be running on. Not the case for Overbridge
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Overbridge will include any changes to how samples are transferred. Wouldn’t Elektron have stated that more clearly in their information about Overbridge if that was the case?
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Overbridge will include any changes to how samples are transferred. Wouldn’t Elektron have stated that more clearly in their information about Overbridge if that was the case?
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I doubt this VERY much too, we’re already on USB and it’s limited by MIDI protocol (even Elektron enhanced protocol) - there’s no reason why this would change imho, perhaps, perhaps though there’ll be a slicker UI with bells and whistles but i don’t foresee any speed bumps or device interrogation or management - also hope to be wrong
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Overbridge will include any changes to how samples are transferred. Wouldn’t Elektron have stated that more clearly in their information about Overbridge if that was the case?
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I doubt this VERY much too, we’re already on USB and it’s limited by MIDI protocol (even Elektron enhanced protocol) - there’s no reason why this would change imho, perhaps, perhaps though there’ll be a slicker UI with bells and whistles but i don’t foresee any speed bumps or device interrogation or management - also hope to be wrong[/quote]
Did they confirm that sample transfer was only possible via MIDI protocol?
If they are able to handle audio streams for inputs and outputs via USB, I hope they also work on handling file tranfer more efficiently.
OverBridge is way to ambitious to be done by one company!
To only way to succeed is to make a standard with all brands. So we really get a next generation of MIDI!
I respectfully disagree. Elektron are in control of both the hardware and the software and they can rely on proven existing standards to reach their product goals and features on their own. To quote computer scientist Allen Key; “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware”.
And perhaps more importantly, Overbridge is not a new standard. It’s a set of features already available more or less in other gear from other companies. (Access TI technology, Moog with their plug-ins that can control their hardware and audio over USB is certainly nothing new.) I can’t see that this has anything to do with expanding midi in any way.
I respectfully disagree. Elektron are in control of both the hardware and the software and they can rely on proven existing standards to reach their product goals and features on their own. To quote computer scientist Allen Key; “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware”.
And perhaps more importantly, Overbridge is not a new standard. It’s a set of features already available more or less in other gear from other companies. (Access TI technology, Moog with their plug-ins that can control their hardware and audio over USB is certainly nothing new.) I can’t see that this has anything to do with expanding midi in any way.[/quote]
Elektron is in control with their own hardware & software. But about Overbridge, they have no control at all on DAW development and Mac/Windows OS!
There’s no standard!!! The examples you give are only compatible with the brands own product line, just like Overbridge… It’s clear that the MIDI standard is like a dinosaur, look at the sample management of the Rytm! I like to see a new standard that’s not only a bridge to your DAW but also to other hardware from other companies in a modular way!
Example: because there’s no standard you can’t connect an Elektron machine to a Roland MX-1 Aira Mix Performer via USB…
I respectfully disagree. Elektron are in control of both the hardware and the software and they can rely on proven existing standards to reach their product goals and features on their own. To quote computer scientist Allen Key; “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware”.
And perhaps more importantly, Overbridge is not a new standard. It’s a set of features already available more or less in other gear from other companies. (Access TI technology, Moog with their plug-ins that can control their hardware and audio over USB is certainly nothing new.) I can’t see that this has anything to do with expanding midi in any way.[/quote]
Elektron is in control with their own hardware & software. But about Overbridge, they have no control at all on DAW development and Mac/Windows OS!
There’s no standard!!! The examples you give are only compatible with the brands own product line, just like Overbridge… It’s clear that the MIDI standard is like a dinosaur, look at the sample management of the Rytm! I like to see a new standard that’s not only a bridge to your DAW but also to other hardware from other companies in a modular way!
Example: because there’s no standard you can’t connect an Elektron machine to a Roland MX-1 Aira Mix Performer via USB…[/quote]
What are you talking about? There is a standard, it’s called USB 1.0 or 2.0 or 3.0. Your example won’t work because Elektron did not write the Roland MX-1 Aira code, Roland did (and it’s for different purposes than what Elektron is trying to do - the details are all diffierent, so how could one work with the other?)
Since Elektron is writing both ends of the code, the device end, and the PC end, for a unified purpose there should be no problem connecting Elektron gear to a PC or Mac running Elektron Overbridge software.
I see now NoiseLab was talking about some sort of Hardware integration standard. It would be nice, but you’d have to get the few manufacturers that are actually doing this (Access, Roland, Elektron, etc) into a room and have them agree on this…not going to happen IMO, or we’ll be waiting for Overbridge forever!