Agreed, and I think we are being kind about it 
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Thanks for all the comments guys!
What is the assessment on midi sequencing on OT vs DT? LIke the Rev2 is all about the pad sounds and ideally I’d like to get the desktop version , though I do have a keystep too
Also part of me just wants to stick with my DT and wait for the OT mk3 to come out with OB etc … although someone did correctly question whether 8x stereo tracks via usb is possible…certainly using my DT over OB in Reason 10 , I noticed the SQ was not good compared to from the DT’s headphone out
Haha, yes 
the Deluge got a lot going for it. FX ain’t part of it. And, I’d argue, its interface is becoming slightly burdened by the impressive amount of features the Synthstrom crew is implementing. But that’s for another thread and another topic.
I’m running frequently 32 mono tracks simultaneously over USB, as welll as a couple of stereo returns @64 samples buffer. USB is not a bottleneck here.
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hmm yeah glad to hear that !
Again if I was able to make the DT work with a jury rigged song mode I’d rather wait it out for a true Octatrack successor … maybe in a few years as right now Elektron are focusing it appears on the Model range
Any view on use of retrokits cables for rigging a song mode?
Did you try with midi loopback?
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Whoa, I’ve never seen sezare play DT’s advocate… 
The OT is greater than the sum of its parts, and when you put them together for me it outweighs any shortcomings, it’s just too much fun and does so many crazy audio tricks… My apogee with high quality plugins in Logic sounds better, but the audio coming out of an Octatrack and the ways you can control it blow my mind. Gladly make some trade offs for this box…
I do use it as a main looper/effects/midi sequencing hub and it works a treat… Sort of has delegated my computer to just recording now unless I go into hybrid experimental mode. That’s a lot of fun too sequencing plugins from OT while sending OT tracks through fx plugins and sequencing those…
#OTRules!
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For me a lot of the fx aren’t the actual fx but rather realtime sampling with live slice remix playback and setting scenes to make things go backwards, pitch shift, retrig/retrig time shifts, and stuff like that. Once you sample a loop from other gear you can instantly warp it as a sample and all manner of audio tricks can be done. The actual OT insert fx highlight is the ability to set scenes to parameters and vastly warp your audio with the fader. You can map the fader to also change eq settings, spatializer, and such as it kicks in the effects to make them sound better. Combining loads of fx parameter changes in combo with the audio warping parameters the fx are out of this world, you can absolutely morph your sounds far, far, beyond recognition and even change the way they are being sequenced with a slide of the fader…
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If you grab an OT right now you’ll still be learning new things it can do a few years from now and you’ll have your foot in the door as far as operational knowledge goes and if there comes a sucessor (yes, please Elektron) you can sell that one and upgrade… These things go way, way, deep…
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Had a rehearsal this evening with my collegue saxophone and percussion player, 1st time I’ve been trying to integrate the OT in our music. I lived the mandatory WTF hour (and half )when I tried to showcase what I had prepared and obviously it didn’t work as prepared, but at the end of the 6 hour session he was just blown away by what the OT contributed to the project. And I only had scraped the surface.
The only thing my computer does is recording mains out (for reference pupose, I export the recording and add it to a static slot of the corresponding project so there’s no “WTF this project was suposed to be doing”), it runs MidiOX just in case I need to debug some weirdness, and it hosts Equator, a wonderful virtual MPE instrument that comes withe the Roli Seaboard. I think that @Open_Mike’s workflow is quite similar to mine (him being an advanced OT user, I am not that much… but I make some serious progress thanks to everyone over here)
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Super cool workflow details there Mike! Gets me excited to get an OT
But if I get a OT it’s a big multi year investment for sure. Given I love the sound of the Rev2 and that is 8 voice poly minimum … any ideas on best practices for sequencing pad sounds on Rev2 from OT? Ideally I can push some thick pads from OT so I can get the Rev2 desktop version …though I could use keystep with it if OT can only sequence ‘one hand’ for rev 2 …tradeoffs
Don’t forget that the polyphony count does include the tails. Especially important to consider when you play mostly pad sounds. Overlapping tails lead to voice stealing. Some synths handle that better than others. (I don’t know the Rev2, but would love to… )
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I can relate… Many times especially in the first year I’ve had super cool stuff going on my OT and then folks stop over, I try to show them, and it’s nowhere near as good or I mess something up… If I start over and give it enough time usually something nice comes out again and they’re quite interested…
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Hey! Ah so you mean you can spread the pad over several trigs on the OT and adjust micro timing and they’ll play over eachother? I see what you mean though that the OT is 4x poly for triggers per step but yeah how that turns out depends on the synth. Must see if there are any vids about with OT and rev2
Hey Mike…I was using my digitakt yesterday for a bit and definitely after seeing what the OT can do it is a quite stripped down experience. More a sample based drum machine than a true sampler etc
You still have multiple midi tracks available on the OT and the DT, so don’t get too hung up on 4 voice polyphony. You can just use two or more midi tracks that send on the same midi channel.
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Pads often have long releases. The OT will neccessarily emit a note-off message within the same trig window as the initial note-on (because it’s a step sequencer). (EDIT: I’m not entirely sure of this, in grid mode yes, but maybe in live recording mode maybe we can have note-offs spread out over trig windows) The note-off message tells your synth to end the hold section of the envelope and start the release section. If the release is long, it’ll overlap the next trig(s). But the release section, unlike a delays, echos and reverbs, is part of the synth voice because it’s still synthesised.
Say you play a 4 voice chord with a long release patch on 1 OT trig, and a second 4 voice chord on the next trig and your synth is 8 voice polyphonic (and you’re not layering voices inside the synth itself) then on the 3rd trig you’re out of polyphony and if you play a sound here, the synth will steal voices from the 1st trig, interrupting the envellope. Which voice it’ll steal first, depends on th synth’s algoritm to handle that: the simplest is FIFO stealing, but more advanced synth might take other criteria into account (lowest velocity, trying not to steal the fundamental…)
Can be very tricky… I have a softsynth that displays the voice count, it uses hybrid sample/oscillator tech and does velocity layering. On long pads I frequently end up with a count of 64 voices though I only play 3-note chords.
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Interesting points! Rev2 has its own internal step sequencer … I wonder if a single trig from OT could interact with the Rev2 sequencer?
Hi! I have a similar setup like you have in mind right now (OT, A4, Rev2) and I thought I’ll put my 2 cents.
TL;DR: I would get A4+Rev2.
I use the OT mainly for MIDI and drums/percussion, the A4 does bass/drums/leads and the Rev2 pads/leads. In principle the OT can do anything and has more than enough tracks for me, but I don’t like working with samples for elements which are essential to the sound I’m trying to create (I’ll not explain why here because it would be too long and off topic). So, for me the OT has the role of filling the gaps in my sound. A4 also can do anything, but if I would make a pad sound with it I’ll probably use all 4 voices and I would only have 1 “essential sound” available. If I only use it for bass/drum/synth I have 4 “essential sounds” because it is multitimbral which gives me a lot more flexibility. In my original setup (A4+OT) the OT was doing the “broad” sounds like pads via samples, but I wasn’t happy because I realized that pads actually are very essential to my sound. Which is why I recently picked up a Rev2. The Rev2 is bitimbral which means that you can get 2 different sounds out of it using a single patch (which is one of the main reasons I picked the Rev2 over the peak), with 4 or 8 voices each. Now I have 2 more ‘essential sounds’ available in my setup and I’m very happy with my setup right now. The only thing I might add in the future might be a drum machine like digitakt or rytm to have even more flexibility such that the core setup I’m aiming for would be DT+A4+OT+Rev2. In principle my setup would also work as DT+A4+Rev2 as DT also plays samples and does MIDI. It has 2 less inputs though and I’m not sure if the midi tracks can play at different (1/2 or 1/4) clock speeds, which is very important for me. Let me explain. For some reason my bass and chord progressions are mostly 8 bars instead of 4 bars which would correspond to the default 64 steps if your sequencer “resolution” is 1/16. With the A4 sequencer you can set the scale to 1/2 or 1/4, but only for all tracks at the same time, which means that if my A4 does hats and bass I have to choose to either play only 1/8 hats or only have a 4 bar bass progression. I’m sure that there are workarounds using the arpeggiator in the A4, but it would be a hassle. I haven’t used the 2 sequencers in the Rev2 very much. The gated sequencer is very nice for sound shaping, but I don’t think I will ever make much use of the poly sequencer. Simply, because I also only have the desktop version so the only way of programming the poly sequencer would be either menu diving which is a real pain in the neck on the Rev2 or playing it on my OT, but then I can also directly record into the OT. Also editing notes on is so much easier on the OT.
I hope this helps.
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Then I would use the OT for hats maybe… it has scale per track. Just a suggestion that can come in handy: I use delays to complexify hats and snares. You can get incredibly realistic hat and snare beats with just 1 trig and a well chosen delay setting. In your case, you can play 1/8 hats and then set a synced delay with a single repeat, the result is 1/16th hats. But you should, for example try out 1/4 hats and a delay with a LFO that modulates feedback. There’s a truckload of tricks available in the OT!
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