AAAAARRRGGGHHH
a month of work destroyed
all the part samples meticolously prepared for a gig fucked up
I can’t spend my fuckin life makin backup for 2003 SD cards (but I’m sure it’s not card fault)
I could bare the most unacceptable UI I’ve ever - ever - seen, but in the end this sh*t is UNRELIABLE
fuk
Sorry for my scream, Im gonna have a couple of vodkas (32)
isssh sorry for that bro 
Their response will most likely be user error.
since this machine UI system (especially about file management) is a crappy nightmare, user error was my first fear and thought, but this time it can’t be my fault (opened a project that was ok til yesterday night)
Really, no elektron-bashing intended
(but it’s REALLY time to refresh this instrument, jesus fkn christ, recently you made some really blowin away devices, wat the heck!!!)
my advice is don’t rely on OT as a main basement for a gig
build a OT mkII, I will fkn buy it
that for sure!
but people goes hardware to get rid of damn computers, am I right?
And an hardware solution is not supposed to be LESS reliable than a shitty pc hard disk, huh?
Anyway: my fault (mmm…)
As far as backing up is concerned, the OT is one of the easier instruments to do this with. Literally you just copy the set folder off the CF card and in just a minute or so it is done. ALL of my other gear, Elektron or not, make me dance around with sysex dumps. Why they never added a CF card to the Analog series is beyond me.
Also good point to make is to keep multiple copies of that set folder. Don’t just overwrite the last backup. Silent corruption can occur and you will only see it at the worst possible time. (Corruption even in the copy process, not saying anything directly about if the OT does or does not cause corruption).
Yea you should be backing up if you are at all serious. Two duplicate CF cards and one computer backup would be a good start. Consider it doing your homework - it sucks but you got to do it.
Computers inevitably break down, digital instruments are computers, and I know you’ve heard that before and I’m not trying to be patronising, but just really get used to it.
If you are relying on ONE thing for ANYTHING in life you risk being disappointed.
Sorry though - I know how it feels. I would not shout at elektron for it though.
far from being my intention to scream at elektron, as just said
and I hate professional-forum-ranters
but too many old pains pyled on OT since too long time
and this accident made me go mad
sorry
sorry to hear that! what excatly was the error? i had a wrong checksum some while ago when opening a set which was working perfectly the night before, but it turned out i could still open the project and “only” one pattern was broken. still leaves a bad taste in your mouth…
seems that everyone using the OT intensively comes to this point where this love/hate relationship turns… sometimes you come back to it, sometimes not.
…the only thing that really works easy and straight forward with this machine is the connection to a computer…safety copies are done fast…
apart from the fact that the internal formating function is already abuggy peace of shit again…
but a month of work without backing up, is pretty much a killer no go…
… i don’t know what all the nerds here do with it…but of course i buy a machine like this to perfom with it…
no matter how many nice weirdo action you can also do wirh it in the studio, this box is called a PERFORMANCE sampler and that is where it belongs to…in first…and last place…!
so if i’d design a machine dedicated to this, i better make sure this thing is rock solid…
and for way more than thousand bucks it better leaves me with the feeling…i never gonna let you down…
this is NOT THE CASE here…
and if i read shit like this here again and again, i hardly doubt i made the right decision, to buy in here…
i got a premiere early november…all bound to a brand new ot set up only…
a serious pro show… on daily bases and pre sales…
and if this machine won’t do the job properly, i definitly gonna take care of some bad press at some serious places where it will really hurt for elektron…promise, my swedish friends…
but if it works out the way you promise in your promo, i surely buy another one for back up…because, of course i know, there is no machine that never fails…so i’m totally aware of the difference between a broken machine and a crappy one…
keep your promise, elektron…
and keep us updated…finally…
Sample slot assignement completely messed up.
OT workflow is so obscenely awkward and painful that the amount of care and attention paid to make things work triggers an outstanding rage & anger when something goes wrong NOT for user’s fault.
i.e. I’m so used to blame myself for any mistake (“you stupid asshole, you didn’t save after renaming the part but not before reloading the project but not outside the proper set you fucking loser be careful that’s not the right bank slot you motherfucker”) well when it’s OT that goes wrong I HAVE to throw it in the WC and crap on it
again, sorry for my anger management
What kind of CF card are you using? I’ve never used anything but 600X Transcend and in 3 years, I’ve never had a problem with data loss or anything and I’m using 32 GB cards.
Hope you figure out the problem man.
The one bundled with my OT.
I think he brand is Kingston (LOL, kingston, sure it fux up… 
)
Honestly dude, I am right there with you. The HCI (Human Computer Interaction) aspects of the OT are horrible. I cannot believe the amount of hidden key combos, multiple button presses, stretching your damn hand beyond the limits of human anatomy to REACH the button combos, etc, there are just to perform functions that should have been front and center on the panel.
And then let’s get to the heart of the problem, as you say, with all of the “did I save correctly after I sampled, or did I save correctly after I assigned it to a slot, or after I chose a Flex or Static machine, or after I switched to a new Part, or…” I am still amazed they put these exact words on the product page: “…intuitive user interface”. Uh, no.
Sorry to hear about your work… I do think the machine is reliable, IF one jumps through all of the hoops. My point is that those hoops should never have been there from day 1… otherwise what is the point of decoupling from the computer?
yeah, and I must add:
I’m not whining OT is “hard”
I may be stupid but not SO stupid
And after all learning to play decently a guitar is WAY harder
But the workflow in this piece of gear is simply beta stage-ish
What’s your alternative! Interestingly, personally, I’ve found Octatrack’s operating system and it’s functionality to be superior and more reliable than any digital audio workstation. Beta stage, get real, it’s digital media, it’s not tangible, faith in such media is a fools game. Yeah you’re blowing of steam but Elektron would be right, it is pilot error. I brought Elektron because it works. Learn faster. I’m backing Elektron.
What’s your alternative! Interestingly, personally, I’ve found Octatrack’s operating system and it’s functionality to be superior and more reliable than any digital audio workstation. Beta stage, get real, it’s digital media, it’s not tangible, faith in such media is a fools game. Yeah you’re blowing of steam but Elektron would be right, it is pilot error. I brought Elektron because it works. Learn faster. I’m backing Elektron. [/quote]
Sorry, need to call BS on this one. I’ve had two projects become corrupted in the couple of hours that separate the last set test and live concert performance. That didn’t make me “backup backup backup” more often, it just made me rely on the Octatrack far less. I use it as a one shot device, without or with very little beforehand preparations. (blank project and start from there) With a device of Octatracks complexity, you can imagine the brakes that puts on the intricacy of the performance.
This happened after i ordered the Rytm, which i love to bits. Had it happened before, i would probably have a different gear peace…
What’s your alternative! Interestingly, personally, I’ve found Octatrack’s operating system and it’s functionality to be superior and more reliable than any digital audio workstation. Beta stage, get real, it’s digital media, it’s not tangible, faith in such media is a fools game. Yeah you’re blowing of steam but Elektron would be right, it is pilot error. I brought Elektron because it works. Learn faster. I’m backing Elektron. [/quote]
Sorry, need to call BS on this one.
This happened after i ordered the Rytm, which i love to bits. Had it happened before, i would probably have a different gear peace…[/quote]
Warranted, hardware defects get on my goat, don’t get me wrong, especially when marketed as functioning this way, only to be sold a lie. However operating system reliability is another story and I stand by what I said. Dedicated hardware, like a Monomachine or Machinedrum and personally I include the Octatrack are fields beyond digital audio workstations. How else are these machines to compete in a pro audio digital market place. Interfacing and reliability wins hands down.
What’s your alternative! Interestingly, personally, I’ve found Octatrack’s operating system and it’s functionality to be superior and more reliable than any digital audio workstation. [/quote]
Sorry dude but I can’t really understand what you mean
operating system and it’s functionality superior and more reliable?
On Ableton I achieve 5 times more results than on OT, and 10 times faster
But why I should bring on stage OT instead of a fkn computer?
because is “more cool”? I crap on cool
Because I dont’ trust a computer
Well ehm…
unfortunately i must agree with alex3368…
but please no mkII. there is potential in this box to be what it promises to be.
but it needs much more love from the developers!
cheers!