Octatrack - Feedback Loop - Dub like king tubby - for real

Thanks brother! I was looking into ways to use the OT as a FX like emulating different pedals. And an awesome delay was of course on the list too!
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Kenton MIDI USB Host MK III :slight_smile:

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Yeap! Needless to say that you can use this with live input as well making it a very powerful delay pedal… You can dub a band playing live even with some sends from the console :wink:

Thanks for this concept. Setup a new template and having a lot of fun with it. I run OTO Biscuit as cue FX and adding neighbor tracks to the mix is great!

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When I do this the playback of cue is one loop cycle behind instead of playing back the buffer immediately. Am I doing something wrong?

That’s normal. It allows you to pitch the sound up. If you want “direct” playback, add +1 microtiming to the trig, timestretch off. Add more microtiming with timestretch on.

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Nothing was locked to a master clock. Not the people. Not the FX. Not the tape machine. How can we recreate that flow? 2 OT plays free of unquantized loops, no midi sync?

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That’s super easy with the Octatrack…

Let’s say that you want to dub 4-5 songs, pick a tempo and stick to it (cause this will affect your delay timings)

Other than that just use full-length stems (for all these songs) that all start together with a ONCE trig. This will tell Octatrack to fire the tracks, and stream them (static) from the SD card without quantizing locking anything, they will just run freely and you’ll be able to dub them however you want. So no quantize whatsoever there…

Now for the delays, you will have to perfect your craft at manipulating the delay time knob, much like you would do with a space echo unit or any other delay unit that does not lock on any clock…

Again, I have created this so you can use your favorite delay instead of Octatrack delay, just make sure it’s set to 0% Feedback (1 repeat), If you want to go full king tubby you might as well hook up a tape machine with repro head delay :smiley: whatever you like!

I had to quickly loop something just for the sake of the example hence the lock…

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I’m returning to this after a bit of time, I rerouted all the setup to use the buffer feedback vs the cable feedback. I have to say, although the FLEX magic gives you many capabilities the overall internal noise buildup is too much…

When I tried getting longer delays and feeding the loop with more sound the noisefloor kept building up to a point where it was too much even for more dirty styles of music. The cable/CUE patch does have noise too but it’s more controllable.

Given the fact that you are going to need compressors to control the levels (to have more repeats or oscillation) you have the biproduct of compression where the noisefloor will be raised…

Overall I think the buffer feedback technique is great for other styles of music, much like the excerpt/track that you shared which is really unique and amazing… for this more “straightforward” use/example I think that the cable provides a more friendly environment.

Next stop for my feedback journey will be cross feedback with an Octatrack dedicated as the ultimate delay machine… If only I had the time :sweat:

Thanks again, I learned a lot using the buffer feedback and created great ideas!

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Surprising to have less noise with cables and Thru ! Anyway if you’re happy with the results and easier workflow, that’s the most important! :wink:

(Thru can lower incoming sound compare to recordings, that could explain less noise/feedback. Filter feedback can imply noise too)

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Yup, ultimately I wanted this to work so much cause it lets you use one more input… but anyhow, a great technique/patch nonetheless.

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