Hey Elektronauts, looking to make some noise risers on the monomachine and I’m having trouble getting things to behave correctly.
I have a build up in a song that lasts for 1 bar (64 steps) Ideally I’d like it to be 128 steps but not sure if possible standalone.
How are you making 4/4 noise risers and is it possible to make it go for two bars? I have the manual open here and am still having issues!
Thanks!
Hi, I think if you want something to be longer than the given container will allow for, then you would need to get creative and cut the BPM in half then use the scale setup to make the appropriate note increments for your other instruments.
An example is if the current bpm is 160 with 1/16th notes, make it 80 with 32nd note scaling and then the 64 steps will effectively become 128 steps, however as the manual says:
“Depending on the scale setup, you might have a longer pattern than what is possible to edit with the 16 LED’s and [TRIG] keys. In that case, you need to use the [SCALE] key to change between the pages. See section “SCALE SETUP”, on page 46 for more information.”
I found that on page 49
I’m not 100% certain how the monomachine does this but on newer elektron devices there is a scaling menu from which you set this stuff up (scale and length).
Is this sort of what you’re hoping to do? Not sure if it will work or if there is a better way. All I can think of otherwise is that you’d need very precise control over your noise riser so that it rises to a certain point across the first pattern, and then picks up at the exact same level and continues rising into the second pattern if (to continue with our imaginary example) you hoped to have two 64 step patterns at the original bpm of 160.
Sorry that’s probably all that I can think of, maybe there’s another way.
It’s more than possible to make a riser go for 32 steps(2 bars) if that’s what you’re asking, just increase the page length like @shigginpit suggested. You also can make a pattern repeat twice using song mode. Lastly, You can chain patterns together by clicking BANK and then the two patterns you’d like to chain. So you can effectively make a 128 step pattern, with some limitations.
If you can be more specific on how you’re wanting to make your noise riser I can give you a better answer, it sounds like you want it to increase in volume over 128 steps(8bars) but I’m not sure from your post. For instance with some clever uses of 2 LFOs, you can make a riser increase in volume over 128 steps all inside a single 64 step pattern,
Thanks for the reply, I will look into the half speed trick for longer risers, though my track here is at 115 BPM so I’ll look into it.
Ideally I thought I could make it stretch for 8 bars (128 steps) over the course of 2 patterns using LFO’s but that’s what I’m getting stuck on. Just tryin to figure out the trick.
I did happen to figure out a workaround for 64 steps: Increasing ATK to around 112 and DEC & HOLD at 0 has the sound playing for about 64 steps then stops.
Still exploring…
@jw might have some other tricks to share, good luck and I hope it works for you!
So what I would do here is on pattern 1 set VOL on the AMP page to roughly 9-10 o clock and then on pattern 2 set VOL to roughly 2-3 o clock (giving general knob positions here because I’m out of town). This way by the time pattern 1 reaches full volume, pattern 2’s duplicate noise riser is about the same volume starting off. You’re faking one continuous riser by matching the volumes of two otherwise identical risers upon pattern change.
If you want to get more technical with it, you can automate the volume with an LFO and get precise knob positions set that way between the two patterns, this is how I would personally do it. Trying to get the attack parameter set just right to accomplish what you’re trying to do is tricky. It also falls apart as soon as you change BPM whereas using LFOs it will always be in time. LFOs are BPM synced, but the tracks attack parameter is not.
Utilizing two LFOs you can legitimately get a riser to span 128 steps, but only within the confines of a single loop iirc, not a pattern chain. If this sounds interesting, I can give you a write up in a few days when I’m back at my Monomachine, but doesn’t sound like what you’re wanting to accomplish.