New academic paper on gear fetishism

A kitchen based activity is feminine in nature?

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Come on man, are you telling me interest in synthesizers in particular is not mostly a male thing? Have you visited a music retail shop more than once in your life?

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Don’t be a fool and do not put words in my mouth. I said the membership of said group appears to be 80% female, one can safely conclude this appears to me a mostly feminine interest or at minimum, the group itself is mostly female. That is obvious.

Also, I’m a man and I cook or wouldn’t be interested in canning, so about your premise…

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if the preamps consents, where’s the bad ?

more seriously, naming or humanizing objects / the question of fetishism / and the problem of sexism are, in my eyes, completely different things (which can be linked or overlap but not necessarily)

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Agreed. Having fond thoughts of a thing and referring to it affectionately is not indicative of a psychosocial issue either.

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Why is everyone talking like this? I don’t understand you all. Please exit this networked psychosis.

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And it’s not even just a ā€œmasculineā€ thing

like fetishism (which is not necessarily synonymous with ā€œviceā€ either :slight_smile: )

and I say it all the more easily as I am the first to recognize all the faults of the human race, and of the violence of the dominants (whatever the level or the context)

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Wat?

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Flame wars are indeed second nature to some academics, and I love reading teardowns of bad and fraudulent theories. The difference with me is that I’m not conflating the dumb pet theories of someone operating outside their wheelhouse with every attempt to understand the world around us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8eT79WUJ0 lol

I don’t doubt that someone who fixates on the machismo of art excludes femmes from his life but that’s how you construct reality and again, women don’t post on these boards as much publicly because you are extremely unwelcoming. People create the reality they want through gatekeeping bullshit and it’s pretty gross.

Masculinism doesn’t have to be homoerotic, but by definition preferring one take on ā€œmanlyā€ men to the exclusion of others.

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Whatever self manufactured reality you live in does not invalidate my life experience and observations. Feel free to prove to us that I have not been going to synth shops for 30 years witnessing the majority that are selling and buying are in fact not women. This isn’t in my little town. This is a fact on the east coast, the west coast and the midwest. Of course I have seen women working at Guitar Center, just as I have seem them making synth purchases. It is however nowhere near 50% and why should you choose to be offended by that? This isn’t an indictment of me and I didn’t aggrieve you by making this obvious statement. Feel free to show us all how this is patently false. You cannot.

And also, I’ve worked with numerous women on music projects over the years. I gave an all girl group a drum machine to help them get started. gasp

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You’re dividing interest in arts into ā€œmasculineā€ and ā€œfeminineā€ based on the assumption someone’s gender has anything to do with it, as opposed to it being historically unwelcoming and discouraging to some genders; historically presumed to be only for men or women. And taking into consideration some of the ideas on display in this thread alone, one doesn’t need to be a Masters in sociology to see that it’s definitely the latter.

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Nobody likes a sausage fest.

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The more I read threads like this, and in finally being able to step away from polluting them with my own views, the more I notice, that nobody ever seems to change anybodys mind in the slightest. Have any of you had a different experience?

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I dont flag the c-word anymore lol :man_shrugging:

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I stand corrected :joy:

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I think the problem is: when you benefit from destructive power structures like patriarchy, which are incredibly deeply embedded, then… the people who are hurt by those embedded power structures, by the time they finally get your attention, they’re legitimately and correctly often very very annoyed, exhausted by the whole stupid thing. But to you it’s all new and sudden and baffling, and you can’t understand why everyone on the ā€œother sideā€ is so much further down the Being Very Annoyed track than you are.

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I mean, other more sophisticated analyses are also available.

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Nobody (and especially not academonologists) can tell you who you are - and by extension you can’t tell anyone who they are.

I beg to differ.

giphy-3

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we can agree with you on everything you say about the weight of patriarchy without agreeing on everything that is said using the argument of patriarchy. It’s not an aggressive or desperate reaction to think that this ā€œsexy gear fetishesā€ analysis isn’t very sharp (and I’m not sure it serves the cause it’s supposed to defend, you can qualify my feeling as a typical reaction of a man wounded in his pride, but, i swear, i have no pride for those kind of thing)