New academic paper on gear fetishism

scare quotes for the “black belt”, right? :slight_smile:

it’s great when people claim to be beings of pure Logic and Reason (not the DAWs) and ascribe hysterical emotionality to others.

The difference as always is the level of self-awareness involved.

Physician, heal and un-trigger thyself. Pretending to be unemotional about uncontroversial stuff because you see your mental state to be the “normal” and others “deviant” is not implying what you think it is.

Take the masculinist “no femmes” gatekeeping act and peddle it somewhere else, everyone is welcome in our spaces but not small-mindedness. That attitude has nothing to offer us, but femme presence does!

Femmes were pioneers and remain at the forefront of the art.

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Dark :pensive:

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Or perhaps some of us have read many academic papers and are fully aware that this sort of poorly thought through nonsense has become shockingly commonplace in “higher ed”.

So called “scientific” research is frightful and embarrassing at the moment.

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Well “you look good”, who even says that? Does sound like a tone deaf compliment totally lacking any sincerity or nuance and sounds slightly leering. Try something like “I like your jumper” or “those shoes are cute”, or “you have such a healthy glow. were you on vacation recently?” I saw this woman on the street today and asked her if she got a haircut, which she did, and proceeded to say how nice it looked, which it did. Her response? A slight blush and a thank you. Really not so difficult.

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Bit creepy

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Nothing creepy about her haircut. It was a nice bob but she seemed a bit distressed over it. Actually, she told me she hated it but it’s just a matter of getting use to it I reassured her.

That looks ripe for Teenage Engineering to upcharge for.

If this is the new paper, what is the old one?

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I don’t think @Fin25 was calling the haircut creepy.

Perhaps others have different experiences than me, but in my experience (raised by two women, most friends are women) there are enough women in the world who are made uncomfortable by unsolicited comments about their appearance from men that they do not know that it is often best to not initiate such conversations for the sake of it.

Compliments are nice to receive and nice to give, but there are certainly enough “creeps” out there who refer to themselves as nice guys who only end up as totally not-nice guys, cursing the women who ignore them or stay guarded from their advances, or who don’t smile when told to.

Some awareness of these dynamics is important if it is your goal to make others feel good. Complimenting a stranger during a response or conversation that was not initiated only to bring attention to their appearance goes a long way toward that goal.

TLDR, it can be seen as creepy to give your unsolicited take on a stranger’s appearance in public. It’s good to know when the door for that is open and when it is not. And if you aren’t sure, is it worth the risk of making a person feel uncomfortable? Think about their needs for comfort over your own.

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Yea well, I don’t necessarily disagree but I do think there is a distinction between different types of compliments, “you look good” is pretty ambiguous and could easily be taken the wrong way. Obviously if I notice that a person had a haircut I have some familiarly with them, otherwise it would sound like a comment from a stalker but I wouldn’t tell someone I am vaguely familiar with “you look good”.

So this person was not a stranger?

This read more like stranger to me, and I can also assume to
@Fin25

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Ha no sorry… I somehow thought that it was implied but apparently I did a bad job of communicating as much.

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Well that certainly changes everything :sweat_smile:

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These Dr. Phil stuff… I’m really learning things here.i thought we were talking about how saying gear looks good can make a woman feel uncomfortable? I think most of us already understand how to not come off as a creep… I’m more wondering about how this is mysonogistic? I think if my wife was to say a piece of gear looked good it would not make me feel uncomfortable, why would a women feel insulated by this? I’m genuinely curious.

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Or in the case of liberal arts dissertations, posing a question and answering it with whatever pet theory you already had, justified with whatever threadbare citations you could scrape together.

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If people just put dust covers on all their synths when company came over we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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and

Not at all weird how context changes the nature of interactions.

a wild STEM LARPer who has no basis in the “liberal arts” or “hard science” appears!

the incuriousness comes through.

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Edit: Removed this comment as I think you were responding to the comments above yours not to the subject of the OP, so my response didn’t make sense! Time for more coffee…

Ok, can’t say I read the paper properly, but it did seem to take seriously the idea that GS was a forum full of objectophiles? Which seems a nonsense. If there were really that many of them then surely you’d wind up with a confluence of design that caters to the taste and far too many people seeing their GP for a prescription for rack rash.

I’m pretty sure it’s just a forum full of people using sexualised language to describe what is essentially an emotional reaction they’re having to a design?