I will do that. Thanks
Did you happen to see this.
looks like they are back peddling now.
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have you tried this personally?
any good?
I remember the schpiel back then being ‘1.0 was a dead end, we started 2.0 from scratch so we could add cool new features that you guys have been asking for’. Que years and years of minor updates and big, unrealised promises.
I still think Maschine does what it does really well, but deep down it hasn’t moved on much from the early days…
Edit: oh, the update being paid (for a hardware-bundled product!) made it all the more frustrating. I also can’t sell my Maschine and software without losing my other plugins, which is fucked.
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Yes, I remember the promises of 2.0. It’s taking them a long time to meet expectations. I can’t help but feel it could have been so much more.
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Imho, NI has a long way to go to change perceptions and streamline their product offerings from a software perspective.
They created a restrictive ecosystem and muddied it up with too many plug-in partners, bad software choices and horrible integration. The good bits for me were the sound profile, but then they F’d the whole thing and are now trying to fix their issues step by step. While I think it’s a great that they are publicly taking these steps per Kai’s update, they are doing it too slow, and will likely continue at this pace. I am curious to see if NI puts out something this year, but I’m certainly not lining up to be the first one at the gate. I’ve also gotten burned on losing all extensions after selling my Maschine MK3 and A25 keys. It’s a bad business model and they continue to get shit for it (as they should). On HW, the Maschine MK3 pads are sweet, but the screen could have taken a queue from Akai. The A25 keys were fantastic and paired with the MK3, it a was a killer combo. Would like to see a new HW product from them vs software. But, I think we’re a long way from that this year.
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I have. It works very well. Haven’t used in a while as Omnisphere is my go to these days but from memory, the only thing lacking was the sound previews.
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Bumping this, as I am interested to see where things go with NI.
I’m with you on that. Getting Maschine to work inside another DAW was always a pain and definitely went against this “seamless” experience they are seeking to provide (but perhaps it is only seamless if you stay within their own system?).
That said, using an M32 with “Komplete Kontrol VST” inside Ableton Live 10 has renewed my joy of creating on the computer, and really addressed most of my complaints about NI products from the past.
I’m now more likely to buy a product with NKS than one without it, due to the integration. Having all my NI, Arturia, U-he, TAL, Bx plug-ins in one unified interface makes me use them all more. No more trying to remember the quirks of the Kontakt browser vs quirks of the Reaktor browser. I’ve even spent a little money on 3rd party NKS to get other plug-ins working in KK, with previews and tags. Some that I hated using before, I love using now within the KK VST.
Less spending time figuring things out, less friction, and more music making. These are the keys for me, be it software or hardware.
Do you mean expansions?
If so, how were you burned? Were they bought as bundle with the hardware? You couldn’t sell transfers for the expansion licenses? I see folks selling transfer licenses for expansions on KVR all the time, I’ve bought a couple massive expansions as they were so cheap, so I am curious.
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That is the one thing I love and miss about Maschine: The browsing! Its really a great system and the main reason I keep the Maschine Studio. Another reason being they sell for like $200 now. I paid 1k for that thing a few years ago.
Anyway, I wish there was a way to incorporate NKS with Ableton and the Push2. That would be awesoem!
I had the original NI 49 key Komplete Kontrol awhen it first came out years ago. If I remember correctly theres a little piece of software that runs with it specifically for browsing. So the M32 has that too?
Hmmm, I might have to grab an M32 just for browsing.
Yes, the app/vst itself is called Komplete Kontrol. It’s what I was referring to whenever I mentioned Komplete Kontrol. I’ll go back and edit it to make that clear.
It’s free, included in Komplete Start. So you can go ahead and use it for other products with NKS.
I am a little jealous of folks who get on fine with the Push 2. I just couldn’t make it work personally. I kept going back the computer screen. I’ve been using Live for some 17 years so I needed something that I could adapt more to my own proficiency with the software, than something that forced me to reimagine it a bit.
For me, personally, the M32 is exactly what I wanted in a controller for Live.
Simple, intuitive, auto-mapping, and not bringing another (screen) interface that I have to learn (though I will say the later Push 2 updates did a good job at unifying that interface with Ableton).
I’m not that into pads, and so the giant foot print of the Push 2 was obtrusive for my uses. I don’t necessarily need to onboard screen as I have a pretty big screen on my laptop already.
The fun stuff (chord mode, scale mode, arp) is still there. It’s just built into the KK VST with hardware control via M32.
M32 with KK VST + Ableton is heaven for me.
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Hi, I meant expansions which I bought separately from my original purchase of Komplete and Maschine MK3. I since sold the hardware and Komplete license. So I’m at a loss.
At this point, it’s water under the bridge. I bought an MPC Live 2 and now diving in head first to learn the workflow and learning about sampling so I can simply sample sweet audio from wherever I like. 
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So you should be able to sell those expansions.
go to your NI account and log in, then go to the license transfer page to see if they are available.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/my-account/license-transfer/request-for-transfer/
If they are available and transferable, you can sell them and recoup that loss.
NI treats the expansions as their own digital products just like if you were to buy Reaktor or Massive.
If they were separate purchases; then they should still be separate.
If they were part of a bundle; an upgrade offer, or used for an upgrade; then that would make sense.
Regardless, NI is the people to speak to / raise a support issue.
Too slow, @Rusty 
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Unbelievable how cheap Studios are just now.
Maschine rekindled my love for music 8 years ago. If NI had just moved the software in the right direction (for me) id still be using it.
Like many, I do wish Ableton would somehow officially support NKS. There’s a workaround that’s pretty good but properly browsing from Push would be great.
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I bought the s49 mk2. It‘s really nice to use in ableton with the vst.
I wish it would automatically record the chords from the chord mode as chords in the midi clips. Same with arps.
In maschine software it does
Story of my life @AdamJay
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Good to know. I lean mostly on the Scale mode.
I like to use the arp as mpc like note repeat for hihats. Unfortunately doesn‘t record it as single repeats but only one long note…
You can control the whole maschine software from the kontrol keyboards, but they didn‘t include the sampling editor with slicing etc. A shame.
and I just prefer ableton over maschine by far
This was my biggest issue when I tried my Wife’s MK3 years after I used it (MKI days).
Sometimes something longer than the pattern you intended comes out and if I have to stop and change things I lose my groove. That’s enough for me to not want to use it. Too many lost ideas when you can’t just capture whatever the hell comes out whenever the hell you want. I even modded my MKI to have a footswitch input so I could hit record while playing 
I made some nice drum patterns with it but I just didn’t gel with it after years of working in Live. I didn’t want to spend the time to re-learn the newer software either. Glad to see they are doing stuff like this though anyway.
NI has some nice stuff and then there are things they seem to abandon (or just vomit out in the first place). Kontakt for example has a horrible UI if you want to create your own patches (the underlying engine has graphics from the original release, pixelated and hurts my eyes). Basically, quantity over quality is the vibe I get from 1/2 their stuff.
I hope Elektron never gets to the point of vomiting out useless gear 