Multisampling non-midi instruments on Tonverk

Elektron Gear Tonverk
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I think there might be strict conventions for the naming of the sample files, the naming of the instrument in the .sfz / .elmulti code, the naming of the .sfz / .elmulti file and the naming of the folder. I think if any of these names aren’t coherent, it throws an error when you try to load it.

I converted a .sfz to the .elmulti format with chatgpt, keeping the original sfz file names, and the TV can play it in the intrument fine in the selection menu, but throws a “sample error” when I press [yes] to load it.

edit: completely wrong

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Yeah I can imagine it’s quite picky about what it needs to work. I have enough to worry about learning my way around the machine but at some point I’ll have a try with any other suggestions. And probably multi sampling directly too.

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I hope there is an easy way, I have all the EMU units in .sfz

Didn’t Isla make a converter for the s2400 that can play .sfz now with the effects card, I maybe wrong

Nm, I think it just converts it into a plugin format for the 2400

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I was wrong about it being strict on file/folder names. It was just my loop points messing everything up (which explains why I could preview the sound but not load it in, as the notes don’t loop in preview). The .elmulti format actually seems really robust and tolerates all different types of names between the folders and files, so long as the sample file names referenced in the .elmulti file are correct. It even allows for samples to be placed in different directories. And it seems to tolerate all kinds of sample and bit rates too, so long as the loop points are correct.

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I just noticed that Preset Maker exports SFZ files, and I got a license of that a while ago to convert my NI instruments. So maybe that one is worth a try with a folder of samples perhaps.

I must admit the idea of doing it cleanly as a simple upload and skipping the multisampling part entirely is quite appealing. Will have a play and see what I can come up with.

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Hi

What are u using to create an sfz

Thanks

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There are some free tools, but I found them all tedious to use (clicking around in menus), so I just am writing opcodes into a text file

key=33
sample=sample1.wav
key=34
sample=sample2.wav

and so forth

(and use copy&paste and find&replace)

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Thanks

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You can also find a list of sfz converters here: SFZ Creation Tools - SFZ Format

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The ‘add loop point’ part is missing from tonverk???!

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I managed to make a single one work I have a few now that work :upside_down_face:

When you get a loading error, you can save a logfile to the SD drive (SETTINGS → SYSTEM → SAVE DIAGNOSTICS) which give you hints why the SFZ is not working (overlapping velocity values, unsupported values, cannot find samples etc).

Most stuff must be removed from the SFZ to keep only the group and region tags, and not all keywords / values are supported. For example, this will load:

<group> loop_mode=no_loop 
<region> pitch_keycenter=21 tune=0 lokey=0 hikey=23 lovel=0 hivel=18 sample=A112-Piano1d-2/3p-021-A0.wav
<region> pitch_keycenter=21 tune=0 lokey=0 hikey=23 lovel=19 hivel=37 sample=A112-Piano1d-2/2p-021-A0.wav
...

Unfortunately with some SFZ files the Tonverk can crash and I don’t know why:

crash
crash1808×1261 167 KB

So SFZ support is far from stable / end-user ready…

EDIT: I have more success loading SFZ files when the samples are converted to 24bit 48khz wav.

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You would think that a Sampler being pushed as a Versatile Polyphonic Multisampler would be able to actually play premade multi samples or am i just being stupid

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If nothing else, it would be handy to have a template/guide from Elektron directly if SFZ is a supported usecase.

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Fantastic Link!

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Well, so far we are tinkering here with stuff that is not officially supported, and either we find cool workarounds or there’ll be some info from Elektron or both :wink:

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cmon, this kind of stuff is part and parcel for working with Maschine+… about time we got some of that for Elektrons

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No luck for me either.
will convert now to 24bit / 48khz.

A buggy machine is one thing.
“unfunctionality” another.
But the lack of communication and information as happens here is unexcusable, is my working hour worth nothing ? multiply for several hundred people

moss converter

https://www.mossgrabers.de/Software/ConvertWithMoss/ConvertWithMoss.html

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Ive tried that with no success

Ive requested a return with Rubadub as i only have a 14 days return window

So if i cant sort it out in the next couple of days it will be going back unfortunately

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i had no success either. Sorry if i came over as i had.
It´s just a very much recommended tool from many parties

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Ive had some success but that was transfering Sf2 to SFZ using Sforzando they show up as Multis in the Tonverk but i haven’t had any success transferring Waves to SFZ and getting Tonverk to recognise them ConvertWithMoss doesnt work for me either

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