MS if OT?

That s a crazy question… but still :slight_smile:
I want to buy a Model Samples…, but I have Octatrack.
Do I have any reason to still get it?

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If you want it. You can probably do everything the MS is capable of with the OT, but if a more immediate UI and simpler workflow appeals to you, go nuts.

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I must say I do like the price… and the fact that everything is layout in front of u. Also I like control all feature… and how is layout… looks veeery friendly.
But I can t say I like its limitations :smiley:

Heh, well immediacy often leads to limitations. But if you want a device to bang out tracks quickly with, can’t go wrong with MS. Or a Digitakt or MC. The reason I’ll never buy any of those three is the lack of song mode.

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Can song mode them with OT arranger, though.

I have an OT and a MS. OT is the workhorse, the heavy hitter. MS is lighthearted, immediate fun.

You can use MS for drumwork, and resample / mangle it with OT, also.

Edit: summoning @AdamJay

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if u wanna combine a model with the ot, it’s the cycles…of course.

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Indeed, yes you can!

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I checked out your video and I have a Lyra8 loop playing in the backround, I’m amazed how well it fits with your set!

I do have Cycles already. :slight_smile:

Yeah, great combo, M:S for the immediate stuff, OT for the intricate stuff. Currently I use the M:S as a simple drum machine to play with and improvise on while the OT manages long stems and it’s a lot of fun!

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I have a MS, DT and OT. considering getting rid of the MS since I have the DT. But for me I’m still not a huge fan of using the OT for drums except in a pinch. Having dedicated tracks for each drum part is so ingrained in me compared to tack sharing and sample chains / flipping.

Currently I like to use the OT for longer and stereo samples and as a mixer. Have one dedicated drum box that sequences it self and have the OT sequence one or two synths :man_shrugging:

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…well then…ur question is obsolete for real…

u got sampled one shot drums already more than covered…
and hell yeah, it’s a great thing to have the simplicity and taken further actionmode of a model to get hosted by and run along with the ot…

but another model that is nothing but a slimmed down takt, end of the day, a sample device that can’t sample on it’s own, is useless…

cycles got all the advantages of the models BUT dealing with synthesis…
and drums and such generated in realtime by some synthesis method remains way more expressive than no matter how much mangled and processed samples…

so u got it all in front of u already and further money is way better elsewhere invested…

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That’s a +2 output +6 channels expansion board of the OT, maybe? :grimacing: :smirk:

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this narrative…

how is it “nothing but slimmed down” if it can have 449 more single shot samples in a single project?

how is it “nothing but slimmed down” if both HPF and LPF on each track are accessible at the same time? when the other cannot?

how is it “nothing but slimmed down” if it has velocity sensitive pads? when the other does not?

how is it “nothing but slimmed down” when it has more realtime controls and therefore a different workflow which results in different performances and different creative expressions.

“nothing but slimmed down”

right.

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…oh, i mentioned the overall advantages of models a lot, ma cher…

and in case of the m:s it IS slimmed down compared to a takt when it comes to OB, to sampling option, lfo usage, loop operations…

please, adam…don’t slim me down…thanx…

I don’t debate that. But that’s not what you said.

You said the MS is “nothing but a slimmed down takt”

Nothing meaning no more than.
And here I have given you definitive things that the M:S can do that are, indeed, more than the Digitakt’s capabilities. Those differences matter. Those distinctions make the instruments different from one another in important ways.

I’ll debate things based on the facts, and I’ll debate them based on the words folks choose to use, and I’d hope you’d want to as well.

The digitakt is in a different League then the other 2, I had the cycles before I got a DT and the digitakt allows me to shape the sound waaaay better to my needs

Can’t speak for the M’S though

…good thing that u mentioned the points where the m:s is upfront compared to a takt…
no doubt…
but as u know, i don’t debate things that much on plain pros and cons without also sonic and setup wise usabilty kept in mind…

and “slimmed down” is no bad thing at all in many other ears and especially not when it comes to usability…

i personally don’t care at all, how many more samples can be accessable within one project in direct comparison that much…it’s way more than enough in both cases…but that’s just me…my way of thinking…my narration…and final judgement is up to each 'n everyone else…all on their own…

I really like the M:S in its own right. I really think what Elektron did there was resurrect the spirit of the early Korg Electribes. Not a lot of voices but just enough on board to keep things interesting.

AdamJay points out a lot of interesting features that are unique onto the M:S itself when compared to the DT. I have both the DT and M:S and they feel different enough to me in use to keep. It is another six (+sample locks) voices of sampling that I can sequence from the DT if I want to.

It is so small and light weight I just keep my stashed where ever in the house and sit down with it to play where ever I am. Many a good Sunday mornings spent with a Bellini and the samples at my kitchen table in the sun light!

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why not. dedicate the MS to have handy kits of sounds ready while you do deeper stuff on the ot… its a good choice if you have the spare cash id say makes a lot of sense to have both… all the machines are built so nicely i was amazed at the price/build quality of the MC… they all seem to have a charm these boxes.

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