You think it will be on sale or are you saying you predict that the price will increase over the holiday?
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Iām not sure what āridiculous for an MPCā even means. The post-COVID, tariff-crazy world has inflated all electronic instruments (MPCs, elektrons, keyboard synths, whatever) in a way I havenāt gotten used to. But are the synth companies making huge margins now? Iām guessing not. The roadside of history is littered with the wreckage of bankrupted synthmakers.
Certainly $1700 is a shit-ton of money for the average person, maybe out of reach, as @monsterism ās response to your post underscored. I can certainly remember whole stretches of my life when buying a synth was simply impossible, unless it was the cheapest used thing.
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It means that itās too expensive. I donāt know what kind of response youāre hoping for but itās too expensive for an MPC. Thereās no hidden layer of dialogue in what Iām saying. I feel that the price is too high and that margins in tech companies arenāt as tight as you would imagine.
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Sure, not much to add to that.
Are you defending the price of live 3? I honestly canāt tell what weāre talking about.
I wouldnāt bet on that but possibleā¦
I bought the live 1 in December 2018 for 969ā¬. if I remember correctly before that the price was about 1500ā¬ or less
If all that specs on the live 3 are true with the metal caseā¦ well that price seems to be for the early-adopters
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As someone who has worked in sourcing/procurement in an international market involving chip manufacturers and other components, I can assure you this is not a crazy price at all, really, when you look at what the Live 2 cost in a very different time. You canāt compare the prices without comparing the marketā¦ itās just a fact of the world we live in.
You can shoot to the roof tops about it being over pricedā¦ but reality is reality whether we like it or not. 2025 is a very different world than even a year ago.
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I guess that you would have to itemize how many chips it takes to make up a $500 difference over 5 years in per unit cost for me to understand.
The market issue is one thing, the increase in cost being proportional is another.
Live 2 was released during pandemic for $1199 and they already had X amount cost and X amount profit.
In 5 years, the cost has increased by $500 so one would think that the increase in cost is proportional to the increase in material cost, right?
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Am I saying, itās really great that the price is so high? No.
Am I saying, itās a price that goes along with the high prices Iām seeing recently on other electronic instruments in the last couple years or so? Yes. So Iām guessing ā¦ only guessing ā¦ that there might be reasons for it.
I find all these increases jarring. And they confirm my intention not to buy anything. But since so many things are jumping at once, Iām thinking maybe there are external circumstances involved. My groceries have jumped too; and I assume some of thatās price-gouging, but some of it isnāt.
To me, āridiculousā would be more about a high price with no context in the rest of the field, like some of the novelty Teenage Engineering stuff that seems priced from the start as rich peopleās toys.
Hope this clarifies things. Truly not looking for a fight with somone on the board I respect ā¦ just speaking my mind.
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Weāll have to see if the price will end up being a lot more reasonable in the rest of the world and the 1700 is the result of las tarifas
I should stress we donāt know the actual price because I donāt note if you remember or not but itās not out yet
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No, I wouldnāt think that. There are also tariffs on the components as well as tariffs on the product itself.
Companies donāt eat tariff costs, only the customer. Thatās standard.
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For Armenās who Iām sure was working under orders from inmusic to sell that reverb unit, and for alto music who āaccidentallyā put up the web page, to be independently synchronized to the penny on price, one can be fairly certain that akai plans to retail the unit at that cost.
The only difference would be a change of heart on their part, which is possible but unlikely.
It really does!
Keep in my mind, it also has way of being beautiful! Embrace the good and deal with the bad! All we can do!
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I canāt speak Canadian, the price in CAD is what in freedom coin or in eurocandy?
Itās all a fluctuating mass of goo when you get into exchange rates but currently something like:
1 USD ------ 1.3937 CAD ----- 0.85 EUR
I canāt say it will be the same tonight though.
I canāt math, question is if the cad price approximates the 1700 freedom dollars. If it does, it might be las tarifas are applied to Canada as well to avoid contraband. Iām hoping in freer lands we get a price thatās free of las tarifas
Oh, it was the USD price $1700. Armenās is in New York. Alto Music is in New York.
Someone at akai or inmusic went to these 2 established businesses and said āleak this box and this price.ā
CAD is out of the picture on this one. Those sales were on US soil.
Actually there are so many more knowledgeable people over there than here that your comment does come off as uninformed, elitist and a bit dumb.
Maybe not so much in the āNeo MPCā section (even though the guys who first hacked the force os onto the MPC is a regular there) but literally any piece of info you can get on how to fix something, or replace something is there. Threads go back decades.
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But we did see a cad price leak earlier, 2k something
We havenāt seen eur or any other currency yet
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We would need to have the CAD price and compare it to the USD price then.
$2371 Canadian at present exchange rate is the equivalent.