You are absolutely right.
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What kind of music do you make? Where can I listen to your stuff?
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wow. brave man! I always seem to be on the same path as you but a little behind, though this time Iām selling an MPC and trying to commit to OP1/TP7/CM15/Mood2 and a TX6 when I sell the MPCā¦
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Not behind, man 
youāre on your own path and sometimes we cross, like old friends 
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I donāt love the synths that come with the MPC, but there are certainly some good sounds that can come out of them. I do love Jura though, it sounds fantastic and has an intuitive UI that invites you to tweak it. Everyoneās taste is different and thatās a good thing.
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I make either ambient-y (although I canāt really figure what ambient music is through constant research) or boombapp-y/Lofi generic stuff, and a little reggae/dub ish kinda stuff - I think because I donāt really know anything at all about music or music production.
You can listen to it by coming over and hanging out on my bedroom floor (itās also called a āstudio floorā when Iām making music in my bedroom) next to my dog Dahlia who is the only member of my audience ever.
Donāt ever assume the only valid reason to make music is for others to hear, not that I assume everyone does. I think this may be the 2nd or third time that you, @Phillip has asked me directly about hearing my music over the years Iāve been here and always after stating my thoughts and opinions as a complete music hack, beginner, know nothing bedroom wannabe cool guy.
Which is fine, but I wonder why an accomplished, knowledgeable, and far more skilled musician like yourself would suddenly want to hear my poorly created music? And you arenāt alone, Iāve had this sort of what I could only describe as a āchallengeā. If this was not your intent then I apologize for reading it that way without the help of the social cues that come from face to face conversation.
For a while I just read this forum and was turned off by what some new, uneducated (musically) Elektronauts forum users like me would see as this assumption that everyone is playing live, everyone is producing albums, everyone is crafting every sound from scratch, everyone is is doing 100% of the total music production process themselves, etc.
But then I remembered I donāt care what some fancy improv techno producers think or when their next album is dropping or what synths āeveryoneā agrees sound good. I only care about learning more and getting better so I can make my dog better songs to sleep to.
But yeah, the MPC sounds make me just as happy as my Digitone Keys or my guitar or my DaW. But the rare occasion I even want to save project, let alone finish a song these days I throw all that crap into Ableton and spit it out the other side.
Do you have music I could listen to?
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This 
Finish nothing, share your music with no-one.
The joy for me is creating a new sound and collection of sounds that might last a bar or four. Then spending hours and days turning that into a polished track-not so much fun.
The creation is the joy!
NB 100,000 new tracks get loaded up on Spotify everyday-none of us are going to be on Top of the Pops
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The last few hours of this thread has brought David Brentās immortal quote to mind: āNever assume - it makes an ass out of u & me.ā
Peace, guys and gals.
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And weāre still just on the first season
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You a MPC head nowā¦ following youāre Journey is very entertaining as I donāt really know where youāll go next!
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I asked this particularly cause i want to hear where would the sounds of stems standalone would fit, as i canāt see that being of any use for myself, maybe thereās something Iām overlooking, an interesting use for them I could perhaps apply to my own music. I too, as well as everyone else regardless of level, am learning, even though my path is completely different than yours.
If i ask again in a few years is only because Iāve already forgotten i had already asked you. I find that music speaks louder than words and I wonāt deny Iām biased towards the opinions of those who can show with music what their big words say with text.
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Yep, thatās what was missing from the āIām too picky about my sound to use thisā vibe thoughā¦ āIām not into the synthsā is fine, and understandableā¦like I said, it might not have been meant to sound condescending/superior.
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No big words here unless I have my dictionary nearby, and definitely someone of your caliber should just mute me. I have zero words, big or small, that could aid you in any way.
Except maybe how Iām attempting to use crappy stems - as an un-knowledgable music producer hack, one thing I struggle with is keeping a clean non-muddy song.
Having zero knowledge or understanding, I try to limit my Fx such as reverbs etc as much as possible, while also struggling with having enough to be able to hear a more polished result.
Too little, too dry and unrealistic. Too many FX, and itās the 9 levels of shimmer reverb hell. Drums are always confusing and Iāll add some spice to the snare and hats, again just to my untrained ear and with the idea of always turning it down from 11 whenever possible.
But with Koalas equally āpoorā quality stem separation Iāve been experimenting with extracting my own drums and using it as a kind of (and Iām not sure I understand this term at all) ā¦ kind of a ghost note, or really a ghost pattern. Very subtle, lying underneath the main drum track, shifted slightly on the timeline X amount of milliseconds to mimic where reverb might live. Then using slight reverbs etc on that āshadowā track to try and see if I get a result Iām imaging.
Lots of failures so far, a few promising paths to follow in my next little after work session. I guess when you already have a couple great quality stem separators at your finger tips, and you know youāre gonna dirty some stuff up anyway making lofi whatever for your dog, experimenting with such inferior algorithms becomes just another tool in my vast music production toolbox.
A toolbox filled with stuff I barely understand but it all sounds so awesome.
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Letās hope this series get several more seasons than just one!
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You misunderstand me. I was in no way talking about you specifically when i wrote that paragraph. 
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Oh no I get it and I value any input or questions from anyone. But if anyone is looking for anything beyond my personal opinions based on my limited knowledge and experience, then you just wonāt get anything from me.
But I love hearing everyone elseās opinions on this stuff, itās rare I have to look beyond these forums for any music production answer I need thanks to people like yourself and CircuitG and all the rest constantly sharing their knowledge.
Itās a freaking goldmine.
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Thatās an interesting use for it. I gonna try it out. And being so cheap to get the stems, i say itās worth for that alone. I do have Rx advanced, whose stem separation sucks, but MPC stems is even worse in standalone. But better on the PC. So i would say this nudges me towards buying MPC stems upgrade 
thanks for your explanation!
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And I named your next album for you ^^^
I donāt get a condescending or superior tone from that statement at all - it read to me as a matter of taste. Iām extremely picky about my sounds as well, and I just canāt usually get the MPC instruments to sound the way I want. When I try to use Jura and built-in samples or Drumsynth, for example, I usually end up in super-clean-sounding synthwave territory, which is very much not the music I want to make. I enjoy listening to it, but I really donāt like making it. This is a bummer, but I do not think it says anything about the instrumentsā quality - they just donāt click with me. When I use them, it doesnāt sound like me, it sounds like me using the MPCās built-in instruments. Thereās a similar thing that happens when I try to use Abletonās built-in synths, and I donāt like using those either for this reason (though I still havenāt used the brand-new ones much).
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