Product A : good sound
Updated product : not as good without tweaking
Internet : “yeah, maybe your music is lacking the 3-D’s…”
Okay, I stop here but what I’m trying to say is : people just want good sounding products, as good as they had in the past.
Yes, you’re maybe a good engineer or you have a very original style, maybe you even read a philosophical photo book and you don’t need that but people just want goods products
Can you explain in a technical, scientific, mesurable way how your product B sounds “not as good” as Product A?
There is no substance to this claim.
The same goes for what you mentioned about the swing. It’s a CPU running pure maths, no deviation. Even Roger Linn himself debunked this and IIRC he found it a bit amusing
*the sequencer of the analog drum machine Roland 808 on the other hand, will have some imperfectuons in different scenarios. It was even emulated on the modern digital version TR-8
I made a point regarding the root of the discussion. And I made it consciously.
Any sampler sounds as “good” or “bad” as your knowledge and creativity allows you to.
Converters or vintage gear does not help you music to sound better.
If you like music made with certain gear ask yourself these questions:
Was it the gear or the person that made the music?
And which one of them has more weight?
Okay buckle up I’m going to throw some more provocative elements into the ring. Squeamish people better stop reading/ignore 
I see a trend: the romanticization of vintage gear is a coping strategy.
Instead of developing one’s own musical skills, an artificial limitation is created in relation to contemporary gear. Today it’s the converters, tomorrow it’s another baby mama drama.
Were the converters of the OG MPC X or other modern MPCs a problem since their initial release, before this pointless discussion started?
No.
If there really was a problem, the complaints would have started from the beginning, after the first units sold.
I have no problem with comparisons as long as they are made on a basis of actual and understandable arguments. But here I see a lot of self-deception.
Show me the person who first had a new MPC, was “prevented” from making good music by its converter quality, and then made “better” music by buying a vintage sampler “unleashing the chains of modern tech restrictions”. Ridiculous 
I can hardly breathe with laughter.
No I can’t but artists, enthusiasts, companies think there is a big difference, even akai offers an old MPC mode so… maybe it’s bs ?
I asked in another forum a very knowledgeable gear dude,does the new MPC hardware units sound any different to the MPC Software? Of course it depends on what soundcard your using….duh.But he said no,it sounds the same.Feels the same.Is the same? I was just interested in others views on the matter.sounds about right.So? Is there a sound as such? Or is it just software sound? Did the earlier examples/models sound/feel just like the software?In music are far removed from the original Akai.now they are producing units consistently with exactly the same blueprint.Plus there selling a ton of software.a pretty good business plan….
It’s called lo-fi/vintage sound. If you’re really into it, buy some vintage gear or VST emulations… It doesn’t mean the modern MPC converters sound bad. They sound just fine for everything they do and on that price point.
You may be right with 2500, but idk if that’s the case when it’s comes to the 3k since people said it sounded better than the 2k when it come out. Tonelab did that comparison between them & it did to my ears sounded a little better, at least on the main outs.
But the 4k sounded better than the 3k:
Here are some quotes from Roger Linn on the subject 
”Swing – applied to quantized 16th-note beats – is a big part of it. My implementation of swing has always been very simple: I merely delay the second 16th note within each 8th note.”
”All the swing, dynamics and other tricks won’t do you any good unless you come up with a good beat in the first place”
”I try not to let the technology get in the way of music-making.”
”That’s about it. Not much magic, just good solid engineering and creative beat-making. If some people think my products have a special magic, I take that as a high compliment. I think some people just happened to create a magical recording years ago on one of my drum machines, and in their minds my products will always be associated with great grooves”
Source: Roger Linn On Swing, Groove & The Magic Of The MPC's Timing - Attack Magazine
You miss my point. If someone think new MPCs sounds fine, okay, it’s cool. Problem is with people who said there is no differences or that it’s the fault of your lack of engineering etc…
Same with the swing, I even said “or isn’t ?”
my Mpc sounds great, but a buddy of mine who has the same Mpc, not so good 
… but when I use his Mpc it sounds great, but when he uses mine… not so good.
So are you say the new gen MPCs don’t sound good?
I don’t get the point you’re making. & I don’t listen to the internet I listen to sound reason & my ears! maybe you should tell the internet to google how to do that & watch tutorials on how to use these modern devices that has all the tools to take a clean/neutral sound & customize it to your artistic will.
I think what you mean is the “Internet” whatever the hell that means, just want an easy pre-made sound to make the trendy sounding beats. Which is why @Hooked posted this:https://www.thedaydreamsound.com/post/the-assembly-of-sampling-conformity-b-l-og-027?_kx=sSbeLRA8MrZwfApKcwqHjWY4U6xzumIhclwSaoEf1U4=.XBd3RA
Did anyone say that there is absolutely no difference? I think people are disagreing about the new MPC converters supposedly sounding bad or not ”as good” as the old ones. You are comparing a modern transparent converter with vintage (perhaps somewhat colored?) converter.
The whole discussuon just feels so irrelevant and boring to me.
Okey got it, I still thought some of his quotes are on point in regards to the sound quality discussion as well. Especially the one about not letting technology getting in the way of music making 
Yeah, boring… Like you said there is still vintage samplers if someone wants that sound.
Or tutorials
It’s magic.
it is to me 
Even more to your friend.
Them offering Vintage mode doesn’t mean that the modern MPC sounded bad, it’s just an sonic option & that still doesn’t deal with the point of, if it did sound bad, how come ppl only started hating on it after EA started this myth, 5 years after it’s been on the market?
EA just verbalized it on a bigger and broader platform at a very key moment in time.
I’ve always thought the newer MPCs sounded a little “harsh/digital”
But I’ve made plenty of music on them so my perception of the sound didn’t hinder me. Also, I bounce a lot of stuff to stems and take those somewhere else. When you bounce the beats down, the sound debate literally becomes moot.
MPC4000 sounds a bit louder to me.