Moog Muse

Not sure if that price is inc VAT or not. But for comparison a groove synthesis 3rd wave is about 75 000nok here. The Moog vocoder is 60 000nok. Same is the Ob-x8. But those prices are inc VAT. Which is 25% here in Norway.

So if the price is correct it’s cheaper than other flagship synths.

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edit: it appears its 2 filters per voice based on the spec sheet here, i’m assuming as much since it’s not categorized in the output area
only having hp/lp though is kind of limiting. but at this price can’t complain too much

MOOG MUSE
• Sonic inheritance from beloved Moog designs
— vintage discrete modular-lineage oscillators, a saturating mixer, dual classic transistor ladder filters, and discrete stereo amplifiers.
• Performative controls, intuitive layout, knob per function, and individual menus for every module. A powerful arpeggiator, sequencer and chord memory offer exponential musical inspiration.
• An unexpected diffusion delay effect: a hypnotic stereo processor inspired by golden era vintage digital rack delays with diffusing multi-tap behavior.
• The Modulation Oscillator that gives you a 3rd oscillator or powerful modulation driver, as well as a dedicated Pitch LFO, assignable envelopes, and triggered random generators, all routed via 16 modulation slots per voice per patch.
Polyphonic, Bi-timbral Analog Synthesizer
SOUND ENGINE Analog (Digital effects may be bypassed to maintain 100% analog signal path)
POLYPHONY 8 Voices
KEYBED 61 full-size weighted keys with Velocity and Aftertouch
CONTROLLERS Pitch Wheel, Modulation Wheel, Macro Knob, Keyboard Octave switch, Hold switch, Sustain Pedal input, Expression Pedal input – all pedal functions are assignable
PANEL CONTROLS 44 knobs, 16 sliders, 129 buttons – OLED screen
ANALOG VOLTAGE-CONTROLLED OSCILLATORS (x2) Selectable Triangle/Sawtooth mix, variable width Pulse wave, Octave (16’, 8’, 4’, 2’), Frequency (+/- 7 Semitones), Wave Mix (blends Triangle/Sawtooth with variable Pulse wave), FM routing and amount, Hard sync
ANALOG RING MODULATOR Ring modulation between Oscillators 1 and 2
ANALOG VOLTAGE-CONTROLLED MODULATION OSCILLATOR Selectable waveform (Sine, Sawtooth, Reverse Sawtooth, Square, Noise), Audio range toggle switch, Keyboard tracking, Keyboard reset, Unipolar switch, Pitch Modulation routing and amount, Filter Modulation routing and amount, Pulse Width Modulation routing and amount, VCA Modulation amount, Panning switch
ANALOG NOISE GENERATOR
ANALOG VOLTAGE-CONTROLLED MIXER Independant level control for OSC 1, OSC 2, RING, MOD OSC, and NOISE. Overall OVERLOAD control
ANALOG VOLTAGE-CONTROLLED FILTERS (x2) Moog transistor ladder filters (1 with highpass/lowpass modes), Cutoff Frequency, Resonance, KB Tracking Amount, Envelope Amount, Linked Operation, Routing (Series, Parallel, Stereo)
ENVELOPES (x2) Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, variable curves per stage, Multi-trig, Loop, Velocity
ANALOG VOLTAGE-CONTROLLED AMPLIFIER Volume per Timbre, Pan position per Timbre, Pan Spread per timbre
DIFFUSION DELAY Configurable stereo signal processor, Delay Time Left, Delay Time Right, Feedback, Character, Mix, analog bypass switches

OUTPUT SECTION Master Volume, Headphones Volume, Low Cut EQ

LFO (x2) Rate, Amplitude, Waveform selection (Triangle, Sawtooth, Square, Sample-and-Hold, User customizable), Keyboard Reset

PITCH LFO Rate, Ramp Down through Triangle to Ramp Up Shape control, One-Shot Envelope toggle, Keyboard Reset, Pitch Modulation routing and amount

GLIDE Selectable glide type (LCR, LCT, EXP), Glide amount

CLOCK Clock rate, Tap Tempo

ARPEGGIATOR Per-timbre with Clock Division, Octave range, Pattern, Direction, Gate time, Rhythmic programming, etc.

SEQUENCER 64 step sequencer with Clock Division, Transport controls, Sequence chaining, Step editing, Modulation capabilities, and memory capacity of 16 banks of 16 sequences

PROGRAMMER Browser via OLED screen with 16 banks of 16 patches, Mod Map, Arpeggiator settings, Sequencer with per-step settings, Global settings, etc.

VOICE CONTROL Mono or poly voice count per timbre, Unison/Mono, Detune, Timbre editing, Voice stealing configuration

CHORD MEMORY Chord memory with per-key functionality

MOD MAP 16 modulation slots per timbre per patch with controllers and mathematical transform functions

REAR PANEL AUDIO OUTPUTS – Main Left, Main Right (¼" TRS)

HEADPHONES – Stereo ¼" (located on the front edge of the Left Hand Controller)

PEDAL INPUTS – Sustain, Expression (¼" TRS; Configurable through Mod Map or for use as ¼" TS CV inputs)

CONTROL VOLTAGE INPUTS – CV IN 1, CV IN 2 (1/8” TS)

CONTROL VOLTAGE OUTPUTS – CV OUT 1, CV OUT 2 (1/8” TS)

ANALOG CLOCK INPUT – CLOCK IN (1/8” TS)

ANALOG CLOCK OUTPUT – CLOCK OUT (1/8” TS)

MIDI – 5 Pin DIN MIDI IN, OUT, THRU; MIDI over USB USB –

USB-A Host Port for system and data backup, USB-B Port for connection with computers, class-compliant peripherals

in the box:

• Moog Muse 8-Voice Polyphonic Analog Synthesizer

• IEC Cable

• Quick Start Guide

• Safety & Warranty Manual

14.55 kg H. 99cm W, 42cm D, 11cm H.

LAUNCH DETAILS

• This product is currently in production.

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2 multimode State Variable filters in the Moog One. So it seems exactly the same?

it has 2 SVF and 1 ladder per voice on the moog one

So were losing ladder filters instead. Shame but not a deal breaker imo.

totally cool with me, and they have to save $ somewhere. i rather this than having crappy build quality on the outside

To be honest i tend not to use all the voices as it can get a bit noisy.

It does look like a clone of a Behringer synth…. :flushed:

Wait…

Just kidding :joy:

Nice Moog synth but out of my league…

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Hmm how do you have yours plugged in? I’m running mine with balanced TRS into the XLR ports of my RME babyface and it’s not noisy even with super busy patches. It could also be a patch dependent thing based on how the gain staging is set/how the FX are routed.

should note that the moog one SVF is treated like a single filter but does have some cool routing options to do serial or parallel and also the spacing to set where the cutoffs sit for each SVF filter. so it won’t feel too different on surface at all just some more weird notch/band pass stuff you can do with the SVF

14.55kg product weight in the description has me intrigued too. It looks like it weighs only about 5 kg or so less than the moog one. still a hefty fella

The filter setup is completely different on this to the Moog One. It will be nice though (even though I love a good state variable :smiley: )

This is more like the setup on the Moog modular 904A low pass and 904B high pass with 904C (filter coupler for mixing) with one 24db Ladder low and one high, then you can mix them to form other responses. I think it’s going to sound very nice, but definitely different.

Here’s a good writeup on the modular filter set, with some audio examples of them alone, and through the coupler module.

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the Gearnews link above that @nirun posted says “Moog Muse got Ladder filters – two of them – with one handling lowpass and the other both lowpass and highpass duties. You can link them , run them in parallel or series or… stereo .”

which is similar to Matriarch, but different. right?

VCA - per timbre? Is this paraphonic?

Who said that? It’s clearly fully polyphonic.

From that it sounds exactly the same filter setup as the Matriarch to me:

Dual LP = both filters LP, each on their own stereo channel
Parallel = one filter LP, one filter HP with mono output (can create a single notch filter)
Series = one filter LP, one filter HP with mono output (can create a single band pass filter)

A lot of the blurb looks almost copied and pasted from the Matriarch including the ‘Voyager-derived, with Moog Modular lineage’ VCO stuff which I’m not sure anyone ever fully got to the bottom of?

Even with a CP3 per voice rather than clipping 4 paraphonic voices together a polyphonic Matriarch might be a bit… much. Daydreaming about Klaus Schulze making one of his 70s albums on that alone, though. It’s a synth that might only play well with itself but I think that’s kind of cool, most modern analogs are pretty sensible in their voicing and it’d be nice to see something a bit over the top.

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Posted above.

It’s bi-timbral, not paraphonic.

Yeah, 2 timbres - how many vca per timbre ?

i think the “leaked specs” are a wee bit vague in regards to the relationship between the voices and the timbres (2 of them) in terms of how the routing works

i would take it all with a tiny pinch of salt until a block diagram is out

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It’s worded funny. Surely every voice has its own VCA, right?

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This feels a bit like an exam question* but I’m guessing each timbre has it’s own final stereo volume VCA after all the voices within that timbre have gone through their own VCAs.

*Peter has 10 VCAs, he drops 2 VCAs whilst running for the bus and wants to use half his remaining VCAs on a stereo patch. How many VCAs does Peter have left over?

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