Moog Labyrinth

The sound of pressure! :grimacing:

Supposedly landing on Thursday.

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Have just been looking at Turing Machine and liking it. Been using in vcv rack for free, but the main knob to feeze the sequence isn’t great with a mouse. This has come at the worst possible time for GAS.

mine comes friday!
super excited to pair mine w my dfam and subharm… i think it definitely brings a new dish to the table for me. dfam on rhythm and drums, subharm for leads/arps, and this for some edgy analog fm percussion, noise, and whatever else it spits out at me… i have various noice engineering fx (melotus versio is my bread and butter), a happy nerding fx aid as well as some modulation, a melo-dicer, and a brain that loves connecting dots so things r going to be very fun… looking forward to patching all them and finally having my powerhouse trio jam as i mentioned earlier (yes, i know there are five… this my trio) … very convenient i have the day off to explore too!

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Had it for a few days now. Initially didn’t gel with the sound but it’s definitely growing on me. Just connected it to ableton for the first time and multitracked x3 sequences over a 909 kick if anyone wants to listen:

I’m enjoying the feel of the synth, it’s pretty nice having it all laid out in front of you and it feels great to tweak. I’m finding it takes a while to get useable sounds - more so than the DFAM when I had that. I’d say the labyrinth excels at background sounds due to its limited oscillators.

Also thonk trimmer knobs fit perfectly and improves the feel of it.

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I think the Mavis is great for the price, especially when you consider it an expander for the other 60hp Moog semi-modulars.
I think that is the reason that they put the patchbay on the left on Mavis and made them with the idea of going side by side in a 104hp case.

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No CV over the chaos parameter? Missed opportunity!

It has arrived!

It sounds great, is simple enough to operate that you don’t need the manual too much.
I can let it play in the background for hours. When you go for the clean sound, add a reverb and you’re good.

MIDI IN is a good thing for sync and transport. They could have joined an adapter though. Forunately I have plenty of these.

A few details bug me… Might have overlooked some things, please contradict me:

  • it seems MOD VCO is normalled to VCO 1 volume, so it goes from slight LFO to crazy AM. Only way I found to play both VCO 1 and MOD VCO at the same time without AM interaction was to output M VCO → VCF IN and keep M VCO level to 0. (Edit: if you keep both volumes at 25% it’s ok they stay clean… some intermodulation in the mixer I guess.
  • I’m missing SEQ1 and SEQ2 ranges IN as well EG TRIG MIX IN in the patch bay!! Most interesting pots, it’s were you want clever modulations
  • tuning the oscillators and dial EG1 AMT for both oscillators is a pain. It takes way more time that it should, cause it’s extremely imprecise. I would have liked a 0 position for the EG AMT, and a fine tune pot for each osc.
  • way too many tiny pots. While it can be ok for a decay, it’s not for a VCF EG AMT, cause it has so much impact on the tone. And I have relatively small hands/precise fingers. Poor choice. I guess I can find some replacement.

Would have been nice to have

  • EG on noise level
  • more patch points. I like it when Make Noise put some CV input next to the pot, then this one becomes an atenuverter. Or some outs on the back, and only ins in the patchbay…

Here is a small session I recorded while writing this cause I was enjoying the sound :sweat_smile:
Not going for the wild, trying to stay in the calm part…
Labyrinth → A4 → CXM 1978
The second one is mostly dry after the first 15 seconds and until 80s.




A4 is cool to offer more CV LFOs and FX.
I have also tried to use the incoming audio as Track 1 OSC source, to add some drive and have other filters.
Anyway, despite my critics, it’s a synth to get lost in!

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Am I right in thinking it’s overkill to get this just for primarily as a sequence generator for my other synths? I’m guessing a Turing Machine module is the exact same for that purpose?

I’d want to send MIDI/CV out to another synth/drum machine’s MIDI/CV in.

Welcome to the forum!

To answer your question (I have a Turing machine module but not the Labrynth yet) , you won’t get midi out of a TM obviously and you would only get one stream of unquantised CV/trig without expanders, the labrynth is much more fully featured

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It seems I could produce much of what I’ve heard so far on the demos with the arpeggiator on the moog matriarch by just playing the keyboard.

A module such as Marbles offers more in terme of generation.
If by other synths you mean MIDI-controlled synths, I guess Oxi One is what you need.

Indeed. But this is kind of a moot point, I’d say. That’s the point of generative sequencers: they don’t do something you can’t, really. It’s more like something that gives new ideas, or with which you can play along, or that offers to play on the timbre while non-repetitive melodies are being generated. Although I guess at 300 bpm I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the generation ^^

I think Moog really nailed the generator.

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It isn’t likely you can play as randomly. On top of that: sure, a random arp is fun, but you’re got just the one arp random pattern and you can’t modulate bit flips with other gear like you can with the Labyrinth.

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Chromatic randomism is something I excell at. :sweat_smile:

The Matriarch does allow for random modulation.

Not to put it in a smaller box, but it’s a happy accident box that allows you to hone in on those sequences you like, or to add in random by ramping up chaos, or to manually adjust the randomly created sequence via bit shift and bit flip.

What it excels at, (my opinion here) even over Marbles (likely because of less options) is the way it allows you to loop what you do like when you want to.

Add in the wave folding vs filter options where it can also sequence west coast style synthesis in a Moog and it’s a big reason there’s excitement over this box.

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I’ve been looking at this to work out which of my Mutable Instruments modules would be needed to replicate its functions.

I’m thinking Marbles, Plaits, Stages, Shades, Warps and Ripples. I think that covers all the functions, plus some more?

Gas defeated.

Edit. What’s the HP of these…? hmm… 18 + 12 + 14 + 6 + 10 + 8 = 68HP, so 13% bigger?

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Until you crave simplicity. :joy:

*only joking!

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Ah, for simplicity I grab my Digitone!

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That’s when I listen music.

But seriously, I been exploring the concept with these machines, at what point are we just listening to what the machines are doing as opposed to what we are actually creating ourselves?

I feel that way when I use random and generative arpeggiators.

I get the point, and it’s a good one that turning on this moog may generate ideas for Melody and Harmony etc. Of course it’s not the only way to generate creative ideas.

I see it another way: Moog can be more than saw waves into four pole ladder filters with drive. That’s reasonably well covered with their other offerings, anyway.

I expect it will be tons of fun with my DFAM and Matriarch.

I’ve been wanting to play around with a Turing machine and this is two of them (or a 16 step/bit version).

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