IMO it’s annoying to drop links to videos on a text based forum. If you found a certain video interesting why not summarise the main points in a way that contributes to the discussion?
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I don’t think so.
They are many points being made, e.g. the exclusive relationship with retailers, how you shouldn’t take a credit to finance synths, how counterfeiting may also have participated to kill Moog so that it gets bought by the counterfeiter.
Worth watching it, it’s short enough.
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So let’s talk about the points being made (as you did a couple of posts up). Dropping a video link with no context or explanation doesn’t do anything to further the discussion. If I wanted to watch videos I’d be on YouTube, not elektronauts.
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He starts off with the same tired bullshit about how everything made in America is fantastic, whereas things built in Asia are built in dog food factories by people who don’t give a fuck.
Then there’s a very long but somewhat reasonable rant about Behringer and counterfeiting.
Then he told us not to buy synths on finance.
Then I got a bit bored, figured out he knows about as much about why Moog ended up in the shit as the rest of us and stopped listening.
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Who cares?! It’s not germane to the topic at hand. How many times is this guy going to kvetch about the same crap? People have lost their jobs and this guy is complaining about meme’s that have upset him while being smug and pretending to take the moral high ground. No thanks. Give me the hard facts or I’m not interested.
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Fully agree with this!
For a moderator that’s some pretty immoderate language
Well, they are aggressive when suing people or even making videos about people criticizing them.
They are thieves when they create and sell 1:1 counterfeits with little to no R&D, then buy back the company they helped bringing to their knees.
They lie when they distort reality in public comments.
And I don’t always express myself as a moderator. Nor with moderation.
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Maybe this conversation should continue in the comments of that YouTube video.
Unless it is about Moog please… were there any facts that help to understand what is going on ?
You can’t criticise them without getting accused of elitism.
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Indeed. You basically can’t say much about B actions without a backlash.
The least being people gently ask you to stfu.
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There was research, but due to non-disclosure agreements, secret financial agreements etc. that ( if fully stated) could have put the people he talked to, or himself under threat of litigation.
Instead he summarised and made informed conclusions about some of the reasons why Moog struggled to make enough profit. I don’t think he was being all ‘USA!, USA!’ about it being built in Asheville, it is more that it’s unfortunate that due to uncompetitive business practices, we can’t have a synth company where everything is being done in house by employees invested in the products and brand.
Oh, and the meme was shitty bullying.
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Yep, but hes a youtuber and to get the cash coming in youve got to keep pumping out the ‘content’, really doesnt matter what it is.
Pour ‘sweetwater’ all over a behringer mic. Im guessing sweetwater tastes like piss?
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I think he’s being a bit disingenuous over the whole counterfeiting thing.
Yes Nike go after anyone even close to infringing their copyright and a lot of Police and Court time is used up pursuing and punishing those counterfeiters who break the law, but the fact is that counterfeiting is rife in sportswear. It’s a fucking enormous problem. Take a walk through any market anywhere on Earth and you’re going to see counterfeit Nike gear being sold in pretty huge numbers.
And yet Nike are not just surviving, they’re one of the biggest clothing and footwear companies on the planet in spite of the industry (worth hundreds of billions of dollars) counterfeiting their shit.
Yes, behringer exist, yes, they’re arseholes (at least in a business model kind of a way) and yes, they’ve gone after Moog pretty hard with the clones, which will have damaged Moog’s business. But Moog’s response to the changing climate seems to have not been enough to maintain the business in its current form.
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I dunno whether the level of blame he directed at Behringer was proportionate, but that company is something most of us already have opinions about. (Comparing Moog to Air Jordans seemed almost insulting to Moog, for someone like me who doesn’t give a shit about sneakers… made a point tho)
The stuff about retailers and the structure of credit deals was new to me. Good video overall I thought.
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I almost never go to youtube to explore content. It’s a massive time sink and serves youtube/google’s surveillance model more than watching the odd video does. Having links to content like this dropped into forums like this is my main discovery mode and I value it a lot. It was clear from the thread content and the video title that the latter fit the former.
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They don’t legitimately sell them in the same stores though, that would no doubt have had a bigger impact on Nike
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Fair point, but the problem for Moog is that they’ve been relying on stuff they don’t have the IP for anymore and not really making new things they can protect.
Nike are the masters of protecting their IP.
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Nike are a huge, multi-billion dollar business, who shoes are made where labour is the cheapest. Moog wasn’t.
Although I couldn’t really afford any Moog, I loved living in a world where it existed. And yes, I understand economics/capitalism, it doesn’t mean I have to like it.
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Good video