okay retracting my retraction, I constantly fuck up
what I had written was, im sending a mono signal into a stereo effect, a reverb, Disting4. my result on max room size is that it is only BARELY got any spread. sending left and right to two, respectively hard panned, mono channels. so I try sending the out to a a stereo channel, and the result is mono dead down the middle. wtf am I doing wrong.
I had asked if perhaps the right channel needed a diff cable than the standard TS? but that just seems stupid. any ideas. im just trying to find all my sources for absolutely SHIT recordings. I was having fun last night recording stuff, not paying attention to how fucked the signal was. I listened today to hear mono shit, when I had implement FX to widen it up a little.
Trs cable out of the Disting, or are you only using the one ts?
Does the Disting have stereo outs? Feel like a lover because I have two of them and don’t know.
Sending mono into a stereo reverb isn’t going to do anything to widen the source. Reverb doesn’t inherently widen things. You would want something like a chorus to widen a mono signal. Then, feed that into a stereo reverb.
Perhaps you’re right. I’m not sure if the trs on each channel is doing something funky. Did you try using plain Jane euro patch cables? My initial thought was it’s empty because nothing g is being sent out on the ring/tip. Then I was wondering if the sounds are canceling each other’s phases out. Or like you said, the reverb on it isn’t the greatest. I know my Strymon does a real number on beefing up mono signals, but there is a slight price difference there. Have you tried using one of the different reverb algorithms on it?
I’m sorry friend, I’d check on mine but they’re not hooked up right now.
A is left out / B is right out? That’s what it looks like you were saying above. I think it needs 3 mono/ts cables - one in, two out (one to the left, and one to the right) to your ES-8 that you mentioned earlier.
You said you hard panned it L/R on 2 mono channels and the spread was 1/2 but it was weak, Then sending to a stereo channel it goes dead center? Can you use the stereo channel with the L/R hard panned and route the inputs to L/R of that?
I don’t know much about logic but if you create a stereo pair then hard pan L/R the stereo track won’t be up the middle anymore, it should be proper stereo. Did you mess with the param 4 for the reverb (wet) gain and then move around the p5 wet dry balance to see if you could get a stronger output?
Yes, that’s right TS. Did you try using those for the outs? I’m assuming the individual outs aren’t stereo so either the tip or the ring of the TRS won’t be getting any action, especially after you hard panned the L and R.
ya ya…thats what I did to start with, with less than stellar results. thats why I was entertaining TRS for the right channel…but that just seemed dumb. but I dunno what else to try…so grasping at straws was what was next
Reverbs that have a modulation effect, as I suspect the Space does, would likely widen things. The same would apply for shimmers. I suspect a Plain Jane, bog standard, vanilla reverb would do nothing to dramatically widen a signal. @palm states the stereo field is only perceptible at the largest room size. So, something is happening. My thinking is that unless the reverb has some character feature or modulation as part of the algorithm, the perceived stereo width won’t be dramatically enhanced.
@palm have you tried different character settings with parameter 2? I looks like there’s 6 total character types. Some are likely pretty vanilla while others are more non-standard.
I have a Disting mk4 but it’s not racked. I’ll rack it up this morning when I have a moment and check the results.
If it’s not the reverb itself then it’s likely something in your signal path.
Some algo do indeed, good point.
But more than this it is designed to accept a mono guitar input, so maybe all algos do something like this under the hood.
I just recorded a pass of Rings into Disting mk4 algorithm L2 mono-to-stereo reverb. You can download the test recording from my Google Drive here.
I did two hits of Rings per reverb character at roughly %75 wet. All other parameters remained default. Stanard TS euro rack cables. Used 1/8" TS to 1/4" TS cables into a MOTU Ultralite MK5. Cuemix had the inputs set dead center. This was recorded in Ableton with no pan adjustments. I monitored the stereo field with Izotope Insight 2.
Some characters settings are decidedly more wide than others. For a reverb, it would do in a pinch but I wouldn’t expect Strymon or Valhalla levels of lushness.
So, back to @phaelem’s issue, if your recorded source is %100 mono and sounds even more mono than my examples, the issue is likely something in your signal path after the Disting.
My first assumption is usually that I’m doing something wrong as I tend to do things…wrong.
PRETTY sure I messed with character but I’ll check that again
As I said I get ever so slight amounts of width going to two panned L/R channels. (Maybe cuz of character). Sending to a stereo channel. Dead solid mono. (Maybe it’s supposed to be that way). I’ll check character again. But I would imagine it’s something dumb I’m doing with my setup that I’m overlooking.
You haven’t done something silly like enable mono monitoring on the master in Logic or something like that?
With the two mono hard panned tracks, if you mute one, does the other only come out of one speaker?
Also, where’s the Z knob set on the reverb? It sounds like unless it’s turned al the way to the left the output signal will always have the dry mono input in it, which I would assume is sent to L and R channels equally.
I haven’t had a chance to get back at it yet. Was out looking for jobs and getting rejected to my fucking face. I’m giving up. I can’t even get a shit job.
