Model:Samples Tips & Tricks Thread

[HuDo]

You can also live record all parameters on the lfo page using the main encoder to change values! Pretty cool

[HuDo]

At least you can on the Cycles! Sorry- I forgot I was looking at the Samples tips !;

[olifante]

Page 50 of the manual for M:S with OS 1.13:

[FUNC] + [SETTINGS] (long press) saves Pattern to Project.

[bibenu]

Despite what the manual says, I’m pretty sure that long press SETTINGS is all you need. (without the FUNC). Works on my 1.13 Model Cycles, haven’t checked the Model:samples.

EDIT: same for samples at firmware 1.13

[NoPs]

If they are later pages, this will be more laborious. Keep in mind that shortening a sequence will delete the later pages, so if you want to save page 3 of a 64 step sequence for example, you could copy it onto page 1 and then shorten the sequence to 16 steps.

It’s also possible to move one page to another this way: hold TRACK and turn LEVEL/DATA to move all trigs left or right (when in GRID RECORDING mode) until i.e. STEP-1 of one page reach the position of STEP-1 of another one.

[crtaveras]

Hey everyone! I wanted to see what tips and tricks you have with the CTRL ALL feature. I have been able to create pretty interesting ideas but it all happens by mistake, which is cool too! However does anyone have a particular CTRL ALL workflow or specific techniques? Thanks

[Phurniture]

One typical/obvious use is for a buildup/breakdown using parameters as reverb or delay on all, or raising the pitch of all sounds, or breaking things down by shortening the decay of everything. I guess you could also use it to fade the entire song out with the VOLUME +DIST knob instead of the main volume knob. I’ve actually never thought of trying out Control All with the Chance knob…hmmm

[sleepside]

Building on Phurniture’s answer, you can also get into glitchy territory pretty easily by using Control All with Sample Start and Sample Length

Also spatial tricks with Ctrl All + Pan

[crtaveras]

I’ve actually done the Ctrl All with the chance knob. What I like about this is that it gives you space. I usually will add lots of reverb and delay in this case.

[charles_talman]

Does anyone ever actually use the Resonance knob for parameter locking? I wish Elektron had made a filter menu (perhaps instead of the “Swing All” menu). And inside the filter menu you could control resonance among other things, maybe even filter envelope settings - freeing up the resonance knob for Pan or something else (Attack??). Anyway, just some ramblings, let me know your creative resonance tips if you got em!

And speaking of the Swing All menu, is there any purpose for that? M:C doesn’t need it because you can swing everything with the Track + Swing knob and you can do that with M:S as well.

[charles_talman]

@minimal.camera

Copy T1t2 and paste it onto a bunch of subsequent trigs, say T1t3 - T1t10. There can be no gaps or skipped trigs, you have to use all consecutive trigs, but some can be silent if you want, by p-locking the volume to 0. We’ll refer to all of these trigs as ‘followers’ as well.

I’m not sure this is true. I believe that the PRE and !PRE conditions only apply to the previously evaluated conditional trigger on the track, and NOT the bare state of the trig directly adjacent. I don’t have my M:S next to me to test this out but I will later, but I’m sure you can have skipped trigs in between because those trigs have no conditions which will not have been evaluated, and as the manual states “PRE is true if the most recently evaluated trig condition on the same track was true.” In fact, I think you could even have trigs in between that are transparent to the PRE condition, as long as those trigs aren’t p-locked to have conditions. This should also apply to NEI and !NEI conditions.

Using this, you should be able to create what I call “fill cascades” where you p-lock the first hit of a fill to the FILL or !FILL conditions, and then every hit of the fill afterward will use PRE, !PRE, NEI, or !NEI to complete the rest of the fill without having to keep your finger on the Fill button.

[bibenu]

@charles_talman

you should be able to create what I call “fill cascades” where you p-lock the first hit of a fill to the FILL or !FILL conditions, and then every hit of the fill afterward will use PRE, !PRE, NEI, or !NEI to complete the rest of the fill without having to keep your finger on the Fill button.

Ooh … didn’t know that, thank you.

[minimal.camera]

You are correct! Blank trigs and ‘normal’ trigs with no p-locks are OK as long as there’s no other trig conditions to break the chain. And I like your term ‘Fill Cascades’

[samglover]

I just accidentally learned that when naming a pattern you can press FUNC + PAD MENU (︎) to backspace/delete the current character. So much faster than selecting blanks one at a time!

[bibenu]

@kraster

Controlling LFO retriggers/modes with parameter locks.

I think the details of controlling LFO Modes via velocity must have changed at the 1.13 firmware update or something because I’ve got different modes.

Basic setup

LFO menu

Wav Saw
Mul x8
Dst PTCH
Dep 6.0 (one octave)

LFO Speed 38

(I chose pitch because it allowed me to clearly hear how much of the cycle was running)

Pad/Vel Menu

VDep 0
Dst MODE
DDep 2.0

The experiments

PAD hits Varying FIX on Pad/Vel Menu - WITH RESET OFF on LFO Setup menu

1-31 - free run
32-63 - reset
64-95 - hold
96-127 - one full cycle (start with reset)
OFF - free run

Sequenced Trigs varying Velocity - WITH RESET OFF on LFO Setup menu

0-31 - free run
32-63 - reset
64-95 - hold
96-127 - one full cycle (start with reset)

PAD hits Varying FIX on Pad/Vel Menu - WITH RESET ON on LFO Setup menu

1-31 - reset
32-63 - hold
64-95 - full cycle (start with reset)
96-127 - half cycle (start with reset)
OFF - free run

Sequenced Trigs varying Velocity - WITH RESET ON on LFO setup menu

0-31 - reset
32-63 - hold
64-95 - full cycle (start with reset)
96-127 - half cycle (start with reset)

[bibenu]

Tip from elsewhere:

@bibenu

@doonee63

I tried to find the full filenames of the samples, but users don’t have access to the factory folder in Transfer

You can sometimes see a longer file name, briefly, by holding down [TRACK] and then picking a different track. It doesn’t work if you pick the track you’re on, it has to be a new one, and the name shows briefly in the display.

[bibenu]

Simple formula for LFO resets wherever you want. With these settings, velocity 100 (default on a trig) allows LFO free run, whereas velocity 127 makes the LFO reset.

Pad menu:

• DST: MODE
• DDEP: 0.6
• VDep: 0 or 127 (see notes)

Note: actually, any velocity from 108-127 will give a reset, but I wanted a process that was easy to remember, so 127 (being the max) seemed a good simplification.

EDIT: VDep: 0 is optional, you MAY want to do this so that the volume is not affected.
HOWEVER, because any velocity from 1-108 is free run, It makes more sense to use VDEP: 127 (or your preferred value) so that you can use velocity to modulate volume AND LFO reset … PROVIDED you can work with a velocity of 108-127 on your reset trig.

[tonichiro]

Not necessarily a M:S question, but how do I program my drums like in this track? Or how can I achieve this on a MS? Is it a mix of delay + cutoff LFO? It starts around 0:28 and 0:45 with more variations

SHXCXCHCXSH - The Under Shore

[license]

If I was attempting this on an M:S, I’d probably set the LFO to triangle, kind of slow, and at an odd speed, and target filter cutoff. Then leave the modulation depth at 0ish, but I’d parameter lock it higher on the snares. Those are really nice drum samples too, and the track sounds great overall.

[tonichiro]

Thanks! I’ll definitely test it out.

It’s one of my favorite tracks, I highly recommend their album ‘Linear S Decoded’ - many beautiful gems to be found