Model:Cycles Send CC MIDI to Itself to Control Delay Time?

Elektron Gear Model:Cycles
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I’ve been enjoying playing with the MC to make odd little abmientish loops, but the thing I enjoy most is messing with the delay time knob to get that weird delay time shifting sound.

As it’s sadly not possible to automate delay time changes on the MC I am experimenting with trying to get it to send CC MIDI to itself using a 3.5mm cable in the MIDI in and MIDI out ports.

I’m not getting anywhere with this idea yet. Is what I’m trying possible?

Edit: So I can send note data from channel 6 to channel 1 fine using the MIDI output cable going into the MIDI input. Now to try and send CC…

Edit: I don’t think this is possible! I can send track 6 knob twists to track 1, but I can’t route anything to CC 85 (which is the one for delay time). For now I am sending CC 85 from my OP-Z into the MC and that’s doing the job, but it would’ve been nice to do it all within the MC. I don’t think you can.

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What happens when you lock a cc85 change to a step with a specific value? Does it jump to that value or ignore the command?

What about another cc? Does it only ignore 85?

In theory, ehat you’re doing should be possible but in practice, I’ve ndver tried this specifically so idk. Maybe a limitation.

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Thanks. I don’t think I can assign CC85 anywhere… but that might just be me not understanding something. I need to do some manual digging.

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Let me look at the cycles manual. Maybe we can figure this out.

Yeah, sorry about that. The manual says “each track sends note, note length and ve-
locity data over MIDI.” So I’m assuming that’s it, no actual cc automation.

Unfortunately while the midi implementation is sufficient, the midi sequencing of the device sequencer itself is limited on the models.

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Thanks for trying to help on this. Yes, the MIDI implementation does not allow this unfortunately. Looks like I’ll always need another device to do this.

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Unfortunately I’m fresh out of clever workarounds but I might recommend checking on the retrokits RK002 programmable midi cable (you would need to use the TRS adapter with it). I suspect that it may have some remapping capability and allows for a lot of custom firmware (the cable itself is the midi processor) so maybe it can be programmed to recognize chromatic note intervals as values of cc85 and that may allow you to sequence the changes.

You’d have to see if it can do that but I suspect that it is capable of remapping which is likely the only solution to using the internal sequencer. Everything else that I can think of which isn’t remapping midi signals involves a secondary device like what you’re doing now.

*Something like blokas midihub or the plexus 4 midi router are also standalone solutions to do the same thing but rk002 is significantly less expensive.

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A bit of a late reply but I just had an idea. You can have different patterns with everything the same except the delay time.

So copy your pattern to different slots and change the delay time on them all, then you get those nice pitch glides when the pattern changes.

It’s also nice to have different feedback values too.

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Hey, that’s a good idea. Thanks. It’s not the kind of flexibility I was hoping for, but it’s a really good work around!

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Yeah it depends on how long your patterns are and how you perform in general but you can copy/paste patterns on the fly and it remembers changes made to each of those patterns so it could be a good performance trick if you make a chain of patterns.