Master bus suggestions!

yo! so about a month ago i got the Digitakt II, absolutely in love with it so far & super looking forward to the next firmware updates. i also have a Roland S330 on the way (mostly because i can’t fit a Roland W-30 keyboard on my desk lol) as a secondary sampler, alongside an SP404SX as my utility piece/Swiss Army Knife studio tool.

essentially, i like to make everything on the Digi, sequence it and run the stereo out/2-bus into my Tascam 122MKII, and from there into my interface for final cleanup & mastering. the Digi and the S330 are being fed turntable sounds from a DJ mixer with two pairs of stereo outputs, and the L&R output of the S330 goes into the Digi.

i need suggestions for things like stereo EQs, saturation modules, compressors, dual guitar pedals, literally anything that might give me some more mojo or functionality once the song’s made and headed to tape! only stipulation is that they’ve gotta be on the smaller side, something around the size of the Digitakt.

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I’m like a stuck record, and have posted these before, but may be of interest!

What about some 500 series units? the Elysia stuff is great for the money.

Elyisa karacter
https://youtu.be/GUmCtsT3cvc?si=rOvrHW9e74jfWs83

(there’s also plenty of other examples of other units on his channel)

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My octatrack and mpc go into a dj-mixer (xone 43) and the OTO Boum is on the FX-send.
I can EQ on the mixer if i need it and the Boum provides saturation and compression.
For me it works great.

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that Elysia unit sounds beautiful lol i’m stuck between it and the analog heat MK2 for the saturation stage of the mixdown now!

i also hadn’t considered using a second or third compressor for transient shaping. the Digi’s already got a fantastic master compressor, i’m gonna do some more research into the Tegeler Audio joint. thanks g!

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i’ve seen a ton of comparisons between the Boum and the Analog Heat series, the form factor of the OTO is definitely attractive. how’s the Allen & Heath’s EQ working out for you sound-wise?

Ha the more you look the harder it gets :grinning:

Talking of transient shapers the Elysia Nvelope looks amazing… I fancy one of these myself.

I also thought these looked good for that tube saturation…

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now i’m curious about the differences in saturation types, what does tube saturation sound like compared to something like an analog heat or an OTO?

I got to try a bunch of hardware on access analog this year and a lot of it was good, but not like “WOW”… except for the Louder than Liftoff Silver Bullet, that thing is WWWWOOOOOOOWWWWW.

The MK2 has a slot for an extra character module and a mic pre. Great little touch of analog that seems like more underground version of something like a SSL Fusion.

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just checked out the Silver Bullet, it looks absolutely beautiful but the price is killing me :sob:

i did notice that they had options for cards with transformers to be put in a la DIYRE, did a little searching and caught wind of some guys that sell direct boxes w/ iron and nickel transformers attached to them. anyone have experience with using transformer boxes on their mixes?

highly suggest a compressor for these duties, but something that isn’t particularly fast, just something that’ll be a gentle ADSR shaper before hitting tape.

I think there is a lot of versatility within the simple setup of compressor > saturator, and then with tape you also have the denoise, head bump, and otherwise tone-shaping and pseudo-compression artifacts that tape gives to the mix

edit: might have misread, sounds like you’re just using the preamps of the tascam for tracking, so the tape comments don’t apply, but still unless you’re really unhappy with the saturation and EQ of the Tascam input you’ll be spending a hefty amount of cash to get anything better (and likely a lot of time from trial/error).

this isn’t to dissuade you, just to point out that analog saturation is hard to obtain by itself, and ime using what analog gear you have to track with and then dialing in the exact saturation tone you want in the DAW is usually cheaper and faster

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I use a jensen JDI on one of my synths that has a noise issue, but I patch other things into it too. It’s a passive DI, so it could be the mic pres (just the basic mic pres on my scarlett interface) I go into after or the fact that I tend to run my synths into it hotter to make up for the level drop, but I do like the sound.

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no no you’ve got it right! i record everything on chrome or type I tape (depending on what sort of flavor i want from the tape’s characteristics). what sorta compressors should i be looking for in that case?

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it can definitely sound better OTB, but I’d rather be creating things. it’s the time suck that makes me want to keep it ITB. if you hear something later and want to alter it, it’s way faster to just do it ITB. then there’s also the access analog website that many like which would be cheaper than buying things.

oh word!! that’s sick, ppl need to use cassette more it’s a rlly cool medium for a lot of stuff

me and my homies run a noise label together and we do a lot of stuff on cassette, it sounds great for underground extreme genres and it’s so much fun making cool art for the J-cards

anywho, it depends on if you’re doing things budget or not! there are sooo many budget comp options, you could genuinely just look around your local craigslist/forum/for-sale boards until a used comp of some kind pops up. Church sales are an insane place for used gear like this, it’s often in that sweetspot of decent quality gear that’s been lightly used for not much money.

One in particular that would be really nice going into tape might be the DBX 166A, and just keep it in SLOW mode with CONTOUR on (sidechain lowpass filter). It works great across a lot of material, I’ve run it for my live sets for years now, has that nice snappy DBX sound and is a sort of set-and-forget comp, and it has an extra peak limiter that is literally just a clipper which can be nice for snipping off little peaks before hitting the TASCAM pre-amps. You can find these for ~$100

There’s always the FMR RNC comps, those can usually be found for cheap and work very well, tho for your purposes I might even shoot for the RNLA over the RNC since you’re running into tape, could be a rlly fun glue comp set up. These can be like $100-$200 used if you lurk for them.

Most old behringer comps work fine, the mdx-1200, mdx-1400, mdx-2100, and mdx-2600 can all be found on reverb for ~75 bucks or even below 50, I’ve used a few of them now, and again so long as you utilize the sidechain EQ functionality they work like any old VCA comp should.

The ART opto-tube comp might be a lot of fun, i’ve heard they can be a bit bass-anemic and you might need to get some kind of outboard EQ to run the sidechain through (i’m gonna start sounding like a broken record but for mixbuss processing I cannot emphasize how important of a step this is for compressing a whole mix) but going into tape it could sound very sweet and you get a little bit of that tube tone (or something)

If you really want to get grimey you could pick up an old Alesis 3630, they’re dirt cheap (do NOT spend more than 50 bucks for one) and get a worse rap than I think they deserve, especially if you get a Rev D model. You can do the gate clip mod (very simple) or just utilize the sidechain and run it through an EQ, I find once the sidechain circuit isn’t being clogged by lowend the 3630 functions like any old VCA comp would (but maybe a bit more lofi than other options, I personally enjoy it for taste but whatever).

And also like a billion more options, sometimes I just set my Reverb on lowest-price and set the search to outboard compressors and limiters and just browse and there are dozens of choices for cheap, workhorse comps.

I will say to keep the overall compression levels below ~6db of gain reduction, and I feel this way about most comps overall, but especially with budget ones they do start to shit out above ~6db of reduction, especially when dealing with a whole mix.

Slow attack, release to taste, sidechain EQ on or set externally, Ratio between 2:1 and 4:1, and threshold pulled down until the gain reduction bounces with the song but returns down to zero before the next big sound happens, and I think running that into tape will have a pretty significant difference, regardless of what comp you end up choosing.

compressors are kind of like guitar amps where like… yeah it has a specific default “resting” state that ppl know it for, but you can tweak a lot of them very far away from their reputation.

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The EQ works good. I use it just a little bit because i make shure that what goes into the octatrack and what comes out of it sounds the way i like it.
The low eq is around 300hz and that is a bit too high for me.

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