It seems, there is a trick with amplitude enveloppe but I didn’t quite studied the question. An enveloppe follower could also help.
It’s something that works flawlessly in AUM and is supported by a decent amount of plugins. The functionality has been there in AUv3s for years. It’s just not supported in LP (or in many AUv3 hosts for that matter).
If there’s one thing that turns me off about iPad music production, it’s the need to do workarounds. There’s always just one thing missing. And I don’t mean like ‘just this one nice to have but totally unrealistic thing would make it perfect!’. I mean things like AUM being an amazing app but has a developer that refuses to implement external MIDI sync.
LP devs had said that multi-route audio is coming but it’s clearly way down the list. I was hoping that it would’ve been part of 2.0. Still a great app. I just really need to be able to side chain things.
I spent a few months jamming out with LP at home and really love. I bought a second computer to run Ableton exclusively for live performance as it has all of the tools I need except a proper and decent looper. I’d rather have the sound shaping tools and figure out the looping than have the looping and not have the sound shaping tools.
Oh well. I eagerly await the update to AUM that implements external MIDI sync (it will never happen because the developer says so) or the update to LP that has multi-route audio (most likely coming but on a far longer timeline than is reasonable for my scenario).
Since the 2.0 is finally in final approach, multi out may come earlier than expected…
I understand your concerns and I cannot deny that Aum lack of ext. sync is 
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All in all I’ll wait patiently for multi route audio because I just can’t go without loopy anymore despite its flaws… 
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Amazing. I love to see someone in full creative flow like Michael is at the moment. Really looking forward to 2.0 
I ran into the external MIDI clock issue with AUM at the weekend, but found a solution online. Did you know that you can use Loopy Pro for the clock sync within AUM as a bit of a hack?
Load an instance of Loopy Pro’s AUv3 in a MIDI lane, enable its external clock sync in its settings, then turn on Ableton Link in Loopy Pro and also in AUM. Et voila, AUM is now also synced with your external MIDI clock.
Here’s how the MIDI clock signal flow worked when I was using my Octatrack:
- Octatrack clock → Loopy Pro clock sync within AUM
- Loopy Pro clock sync within AUM → Ableton Link within Loopy Pro
- Ableton Link within Loopy Pro → Ableton Link within AUM
The only thing to watch is AUM’s own transport which is bubbling along underneath everything all the time, even when playback is stopped. Make sure to press play on your external device only when AUM’s transport bar is on its final section before it loops back around. Then it will sync up immediately. Otherwise it will wait to sync up, and this can result in… say… UA Battalion’s AuV3 starting up at the next bar marker. If that makes sense!
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I think I tried this mid to late last year and found it to be unstable. I seem to recall Loopy crashing.
I just stopped using AUM for anything that I need external sync for. Which is basically everything.
The Loopy’s and the Drambo’s of the world have external sync working flawlessly. It’s really a shame that the AUM dev has taken such a hard stance against it.
This is why I use Ableton now, and the iPad only for the odd effect, and for Koala.
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I knew when I saw 15 new posts here midi loops has been launched.
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Hello !
I’m at this moment experimenting with an IPad app that is Loopy Pro.
It has a lot of possibilities , but i’m digging the midi possibilities with it.
I’ve set a « virtual knob » on Loopy Pro that output to CC 2 (breath control) on digitakt.
It’s working well , because, when i move the iPad « Knob » on my app, i can see the corresponding « breath control » knob in the « setup menu » on the screen of my DT2, moving accordingly with the motion i execute on the iPad (and that’s OK), BUT, what i would like is to see the opposite too :
I would like to move the Breath Control knob on the DT2 and see the virtual knob on Loopy Pro moving at the same Time (State Feedback of the DT2 , to my iPad app).
Between the iPad and the DT2, i use a Blokas Midihub, and i know that Loopy Pro support State Feedback… So , i’m struggling with that problem i can’t resolve alone.
Please somebody help me ?
Jeremy
On the DT2 under ‘SETTINGS => MIDI => PORT CONFIG’, check that ‘ENCODER DEST.’ is set to ‘INT + EXT’. That ‘should’ send the value of the encoder out from the DT2 to Loopy Pro.
It’s not a configuration that I use but that is likely part of the solution.
Cheers!
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Do you only need sidechain compression/ducking? There are some compressor AUs around which have “virtual busses” which means that you create one instance as a sender on the sidechain source and another instance on the channel you want to duck where you choose the other instance as the source. I use Woodpressor which works great. You can do similar things with MIDI notes.
It only gets pretty confusing sometimes with that many compressor AUs around because renaming a plugin instance still isn’t a thing. But that’s an issue on its own.
Honestly, I don’t know if MIDI looping is really what LP needed. It’s a deep rabbit hole of bugs, UI problems and edge cases… not that I mean Michael is a bad developer but the whole topic is complex AF.
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The issue with LPP is that it doesn’t expose those audio inputs. I have the Fabfilter suite which does provide external side chain but LPP has not yet exposed them or provided a bus/mult device for accessing them.
AUM does but its ‘one big missing feature’ is the lack of external MIDI sync (and I’m aware of all the hacky workarounds with Link and Audiobus nesting).
LPP was always super stable for me. I just do live improved techno and a big part of that sound is being able to use side chain compression. Still a great app and would highly recommend.
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Never understood why AUM not accepting clock is a dealbreaker.
It a better clock than your (insert piece of elektron gear here)
Now I’m not sure if you understood what I was trying to say 
I’m well aware of LPs limitations and I found compressor plugins which work around this issue by creating their own busses without relying on the host to support the official standard. I use this in my live techno set and it works well.
I jam a lot with friends and we do live improvisations.
I sometimes need to switch from master to slave to master really fast…Midi sync is somewhat a standard feature you can expect despite its technical problems, limitations etc…I don’t want to add another layer on top to be able to access such a common feature.
So I’m left with lpp and no multi audio but midi sync and Aum with multi audio but no midi sync…How nice is that ? 
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A lock is a clock is a clock. Honestly I use link more than anything anymore
Let’s remove anything non ableton link then. Glad it works for you.
Rapidly switching master/slave clocks on the fly, in real time, under the lights, in front of the crowd, seemless…
Obviously a unique use case and I’m not surprised at all that these apps can’t do the one obscure thing that makes or breaks your mojo.
I once was going to buy an app but it didn’t do what I wanted so I didn’t buy it and I bought something else.
Loopy pro is neato. I like midi.
Hey, I wasn’t complaining just responding to a message about “just use ableton link”.
I’m using both aum and lpp pro on stage and work around their limitations. It does not prevent me to “wish for more”…
The problem is that using those compressor plugins is not a workaround for the lack of auv3 sidechain input. For example, sidechain into Pro-Q is the only replacement on iOS for spectral spacing like Trackspacer or Neutron Unmask. It’s also the only way to sidechain dynamic EQ to another track (not the same as spectral spacing, and very important when getting kick & bass to sit well together). There’s no way of doing those things with sidechaining in a compressor. This is an integral part of my workflow, so until that’s implemented in Loopy Pro, I can’t use it as a daw.
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