There is also an italian manufacturer who provides a nice kit.
I probably gonna wait for the first second hand units, that wavestate is so appealing on paper and so awfull to program that Iām pretty sure I can benefit from otherās gasā¦Thatās evil, I knowā¦ 
Thatās the reason I pretty much donāt use mine!
You can create amazing sounds and possibilities are quite limitless, but the lack of spontaneity and the UX that I find terrible doesnāt helpā¦ to be fair i find most of Korgās products I tried to have bad UX.
On the wavestate itās not an easy job though considering the amount of possibilities, but I think the app they made out of it is much better thoughtā¦
Yep. I tried digging in with the Wavestateāwatching videos, diving deep into the manual ā¦ and that interface just sucks, even if you burn the calories to learn it. So much menu diving, page-jumping, shift-holding, head-scratching ā¦ Jesus.
Itās the opposite of instruments like the Elektron gear and the MPCs, which people complain are hard to use but are really very quick, once you get past the initial learning curve.
The Wavestate interface is simply ā¦ bad. The software version looks like a warm bath with champagne by comparison.
I mostly want to use Wavestate as a rompler that occasionally does weird glitchy stuff, and the keyboard was a huge negative. I got the software years ago but never use it. Iām actually temped to order one now.
And now I am wondering if I would combine the Tracker and a Wavestateā¦ mixing Tracker midi track with sequencer lanes in the Wavestate and using it as a giant sound module.
From what I understand you could totally do this, sequencing each lane of the wavestate separately and using it as a 4-part sound module.
Wavestate module approachingā¦Ready to grab your unused one ! 
It took them 5 months to ship but itās here:
Korg Wavestate Module Unboxing and Mini Review, Some Factory Presets
Hiā¦ What was its name? 
Efyria Loto.
I may trade my Wavestate MK1 with keyboard for this, depending on net cost out the door. I was SO excited for the Wavestate when it came out, but as others have said, programming it with the tiny screen proved to be almost inscrutableācould be done, but was a real pain. So, when they came out with the editor, I jumped on it. I have a dedicated monitor sitting right behind my wavestate that has as an almost sole use programming the wavestate, which actually works pretty well, but the Wavestate with keyboard forces me to push the monitor back quite a bit and reaching for the knobs is not great either. This solves all of that. There is more potential for sound design in the Wavestate than almost any other synth I can imagine. My Korg Kronos and Waldorf Iridium desktop probably go deeper though, but not for sequencing multilayers.
With the ability to transpose a whole phrase while in the Chain screen, the M8 pretty much has wave sequencing where we can use our own samples.
Just load sixteen of your own samples into sixteen separate instruments. Then fill each of the sixteen steps of a single phrase with the same note, say C4, from each of the sixteen samples. Then create a chain for that phrase, then transpose to taste and boom, wave sequencing. Then consider that we have three fx columns + grooves + tables for each individual phrase, all that would essentially function in place of Wavestateās lanes.
Itād be super cool to be able to have the Chainās transpose command respond to a MIDI keyboard so we could āplayā the phrase.
That said, controlling Wavestate from the M8 would be super fun.
Question - are there any good FM sounds in the standard wave set and how good/usable they are?
Since you can upload your own samples it could be as good as you want ?
There are absolutely hundreds if not thousands of samples inside, you should check the demo of wavestate native to get an idea.
I understand itās flexible, but previously did not have much fun with sample transfers on other Korg hardware.
Oh yes, thanks for the reminder, I forgot already have the demo installed :>
(Actually Iām trying to cool down the GAS for one quirky synth, guess which one)
If youāre looking for an excuse not to buy it, Iād say download the manual, watch a few Youtubes, and notice how complicated it is to actually patch the thing from the front panel. If youāre going to program the hardware synth from the software editor, then the question is: Why not spend less for the software version?
But if you are hopelessly fascinated, just go for it. Thereās nothing like the Wavestate out there now in hardware.
Re FM: I donāt think of the core sound of the Wavestate as being especially FM-ey, although God knows what presets are in there, I still havenāt tried them all. The thing is, thereās no way to do actual FM, you canāt make frequency modulation happen and then shift its level with envelopes, velocity, etcā¦; so at best you get a rompler version of FM, maybe with switching between a couple layers. Might as well just do your FM in software, or get a Volca FM2 for cheap.
I didnāt find any sounds among the Wavestate presets that struck me as āgoodā FM sounds, compered to the FM sounds on synths that can actually do FM.
You could actually modulate the pitch with an lfo up to 32khz and modulate the lfo frequency with note numbers and with itselfā¦Technically itās FM butā¦
GAS not for WS per se, but for the different synth (similar to WS in some regard).
Yes, I clearly understand that itās not FM based at all and was curious if any built-in packs are good . I hear the confirmation that there is nothing specific, as I was thinkingā¦
Iāve kind of said this already up above in this thread, but it is worth repeating: a great solution is to have a Wavestate with the editor running right above it so you donāt have to use the tiny screen on the Wavestate itself for programming. Unlike just buying the VST, if you buy the Wavestate, you have the dedicated interface with all the knobs, switches, and the vector to control the editor and it is very quick, snappy, immediate.
Also, right now, you can get a used Wavestate for $400 on Reverb.
As others have said, there is nothing like this synth anywhere else. I just wish theyād come out with the desktop module version right away, so I didnāt have to have the keyboard in the way, which I never use.