I don’t midi link the kp3 to any of my elektron machines, i just give it the same bpm.
The output of my Analog Four goes to my Analog rytm. My rytm output goes to my kp3 input.
I Can use the average fx from the kp3 and i Can make loops with my kp3
After recording a loop, it starts to loop. I Can mute the loop, but the loop doesnt stop looping. The loop Will stay in sync, as long as i don’t adjust the tempo of the kp3 and the tempo of the of my elektron stuff.
I Can adjust volumes of the kp3 input level and of the just recorded sample level.
It is very easy and after Some practice very powerful. I love it.
it’s simple – you hit one button to arm the sampler, then hit one of the four pads at the bottom to grab a sample of up to 4 measures length. it loops automatically and the slider at left controls the sample volume, while the input knob above it controls the volume of the original signal. adjust both at once (easily done, even possible one handed) and you can fade one in while the other fades out.
no quantizing but i find it easy to just estimate where a “zero point crossing” or reasonably quiet point would be and start sampling there, so the loop plays seamlessly.
with another quick button-knob combo, you can adjust the kp3 clock to correspond with the ot master clock manually. i prefer to do it this way because while you can make the kp3 a midi slave, in my experience it is very insensitive and drifts more quickly than the manual approach … other users have had better luck however.
Have you tested how many bars this stays in sync for?[/quote]
yes I did.
I think not too long ago we had the same talk…
At that moment I thought it worked endlessly
but… now sometimes, after some time, it is not in sync anymore. it is easily correctable by nudging the synth up or down…
but, I almost never have a problem with it
usually i can let it loop for 5 minutes or more…
let me test it now, for 5 minutes…
after 5 minutes, I needed to nudge the synth one very short moment.
so just a very little bit ‘not-in-sync’. The difference is that small, I am 100 % sure no one will hear it. I think only after 10 minutes, the audience will hear the difference.
I only use the loop for max. 3 minutes. Usually only 1 or 2.
Never had a problem with it.
The more I work with it, the better I can mix from one synth song to the loop, and from the loop to another synth song.The filter 2 helps me a lot.
transition: do I have to hit start and stop on the KP3 perfectly in time for sampling, or is there a quantising to help?
What I want: I have a loop running from the OT, then sample it with the KP, let the KP loop it, and in the background switch pattern/prepare stuff on the OT, then come back in with a crossfade, and all this LIVE for the audience.
Works easily? With KP as Midi Slave? Quantised start and end points?
And what about the sound quality, if it just goes thru the KP3 with no effects on? While the effects are running, I don´t care, but as you are always sending your music thru the KP3, does it affect the sound quality? A/D and D/A any good?
I use my kp3 by sending to it from the aux channel on my mixer. That way i can blend signals from anything connected to the mixer and just feed it back as its own channel. I get some great looping and effects using different blends from the RYTM,A4,Slim phatty. The two things i have yet to get a good grip on is the sampling and recording motions on the pad (it always is out of time bad). Have tried sycing by tap and currently using via midi clock.
don’t link… I just set the tempo the same. So tempo on elektron is 128 for me, I also set the KP3 on 128
I set the amount of beats to record (max 16 x 4 beats) I only press ‘rec sample slot’ and then press play.
It automatically stops after for example 16 x 4 beats. It fits perfect, but sometimes it can be difficult to let it loop 100% smoothly. Sometimes there is some crack at the end/begin of the loop, because the sound doesn’t continue. But, after some experience, you can learn how to do this.
Sound quality is less than elektron boxes, but I don’t care, to be honest. I bought this thing 2nd hand for 125 euro, can’t expect elektron quality, and it is not bad at all, but the sound quality is less, and the quality of some fx is poor, but there are some nice fx. Especially the Reverb is not that good, but I start to like the sound, even if it is not good.
transition: do I have to hit start and stop on the KP3 perfectly in time for sampling, or is there a quantising to help?
thanks
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there is some kind of quantising.
don’t link… I just set the tempo the same. So tempo on elektron is 128 for me, I also set the KP3 on 128
I set the amount of beats to record (max 16 x 4 beats) I only press ‘rec sample slot’ and then press play.
It automatically stops after for example 16 x 4 beats. It fits perfect, but sometimes it can be difficult to let it loop 100% smoothly. Sometimes there is some crack at the end/begin of the loop, because the sound doesn’t continue. But, after some experience, you can learn how to do this.
Sound quality is less than elektron boxes, but I don’t care, to be honest. I bought this thing 2nd hand for 125 euro, can’t expect elektron quality, and it is not bad at all, but the sound quality is less, and the quality of some fx is poor, but there are some nice fx. Especially the Reverb is not that good, but I start to like the sound, even if it is not good.
I had a KP3+ and after a few months sold it. Having the original Mini Kaoss Pad I much prefer the smaller form factor and I dont thing the extra FX are any better than the mini. I kept the mini and sold the KP3+
i love LOVE my kp3. TO be fair its kind of a POS but its great for what I sue it for
As someone said earlier- p lockin git is cray cray
What I really like doing in combo with that is using it as an aux send. I tend to apply it to the MD b/c randomly with the cheesy digital LFO’s you get crazy effects, or you can mute the MD track while the AUX sned track with the kp3 is going. PRetty rad.
Also for subtle emphasis on stuff you can use it for that too but you have to play with the levels in the box so its not too “in yo face”
ive never used the sampler on mine bc the mic input is fuct(bought it used for 150), but honestly i havent really given a shit about that…
[quote=“AdamJay”]Have you tested how many bars this stays in sync for?
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yes I did.
I think not too long ago we had the same talk…
At that moment I thought it worked endlessly
but… now sometimes, after some time, it is not in sync anymore. it is easily correctable by nudging the synth up or down…
but, I almost never have a problem with it
usually i can let it loop for 5 minutes or more…
let me test it now, for 5 minutes…
after 5 minutes, I needed to nudge the synth one very short moment.
so just a very little bit ‘not-in-sync’. The difference is that small, I am 100 % sure no one will hear it. I think only after 10 minutes, the audience will hear the difference.
I only use the loop for max. 3 minutes. Usually only 1 or 2.
Never had a problem with it.
The more I work with it, the better I can mix from one synth song to the loop, and from the loop to another synth song.The filter 2 helps me a lot.[/quote]
Yea, I remember our previous discussion. I seem to remember you using it over midi sync then though, rather than manual BPM assignment.
Sounds incredibly solid.
When you speak of the Filter 2, are you referring to a filter on the KP, filtering the loop? Is there a High pass filter there? That’d be great for mixing
After a quick listen to your live set, sounds like KP3 is great for transitions.
I think I could use it on the FX loop of my DJ mixer, and use the master high pass filter as a bass kill for mixing out of the loop.
[quote=“AdamJay”]After a quick listen to your live set, sounds like KP3 is great for transitions.
I think I could use it on the FX loop of my DJ mixer, and use the master high pass filter as a bass kill for mixing out of the loop.
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sounds like a good idea to me, don’t expect too much of most of the fx… the HPF is good, the looper is good… rev and del are pretty poor, I think.[/quote]
I just watched some videos on the additional FX that are in the KP3+
There are a few gems in there. I think those, plus the warranty I would get with a new KP3+ for $269 is worth it.
Unfortunately my KP3 doesn’t function correctly anymore. The fader is leaking, the knob is not very stable. It think the reason is that I have been using this thing too much… and the way I am using the fader is too rough.
So, I decided not to buy another one… I bought the octatrack.
I have to think much more while using the OT. I think it will change after a while. But the OT has much better reverbs, delays, etc…
What I learned with using the KP3, is that I only need a master filter fx and volume channels, to mix from one track to the other.
Also, I learned not to put the record trig on the first note of the sequence, but somewhere else. Otherwise you hear the loop, since then the ‘crackle’ is on note #1… then it is annoying. I usually place it on trig 5.
So KP3 helped me a lot, now I just use OT for this, and it is time to learn much more about sampling with the OT.
I’m glad this thread popped up again. I was just looking at my untouched kp3+ over the weekend. Untouched because I havent created enough to mix it up with the KP3. So it got me thinking about how the performance controls work on the A4 and I just started using them (im a slow learner with these things). Anyway it got me thinking that maybe i can get more use out of the KP3 in the way of turning it into a midi controller and using it for example to slide the filter around on one axis and on the other put the overdrive or something similar. Has anyone tried this? My issue with starting somehting like this is that I already have a midi keyboard connected to the A4 and I dont have a lot of midi experience. pretty much enough to sync the clock and start stop etc. basic stuff.
If you have a MIDI keyboard already connected to the Analog Four then you have a choice to make. Either:
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[li]Use the controls on the keyboard to control the AF, or[/li]
[li]Use a MIDI merge box to merge the MIDI signals from the keyboard and the KP3+[/li]
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I don’t have a KP3+ or an AF, but what you will need to do in either scenario is this:
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[li]Find the number of the PERF CHANNEL for your AF[/li]
[li]Activate RECEIVE CC/NRPN on the AF[/li]
[li]Set up the Performance macro as you like on the AF[/li]
[li]Find the CC MSB number for the desired Performance macro in the PERFORMANCE CC table in Appendix D of the manual[/li]
[li]Set the controller keyboard or KP3+ to send MIDI CC messages with the CC MSB number you found in the manual, on the PERF CHANNEL channel number. (you didn’t say which keyboard you have, but the relevant instructions for the KP3+ are given on pages 20 to 22 of its manual.)[/li]
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I use my KP3 alongside my octatrack by sending the OT cue outs to the KP3 and coming back into the OT either as a stereo input (A/B or C/D) or a thru machine - just depends on what else I have hooked up to the OT. So when I need to apply any KP3 effects, I just cue the appropriate OT track and I can sample what the KP3 has done to the sound or just mess with it live. The traditional effects are not that great sounding but the KP3 really comes into it’s own when you use the loop, tape delay, sampling, and granular effects. I’ve had mine for about 4 years and have used it with Ableton Live, FL Studio, my guitar pedalboard, and now the mighty Octatrack. When you start your sample recording on the KP3, you don’t have to manually stop it. It pretty much quantizes itself and starts looping. The only drawback is if you have 4 samples recorded, if you go back later and try to play them all from the sd card, they will not play in sync. Not sure why Korg did it this way.
^ the above is ‘jag filter’ in the first part, and then ‘vinyl break’ in the second part. The vinyl break sound makes for some really nice Autechre-y pitch modulations (cf. Stop Look Listen). This is only scratching the surface really—I’m going to have to try using LFOs to control X/Y as well to get super wacky.