I just think the video is impressive and I wanted to share it with you. donāt take the thread title too seriousā¦
I play guitar and a little piano and Iām the last one that claims sample libraries or even real musicians become obsolete.
But since this is a music tech forum I assumed this should be interesting
It definitely is.
Thank you pal.
If the title read āCould physical modeling replace large sample librariesā or something similar, it wouldnāt receive backlash.
With the current title, the bigger the thread gets (original post buried) people will just start responding like the topic is asking if Ots, DTs, MPCs, etc., will be obsolete soonā¦
Just sayinā¦
true. Think I can live with that I already have watched the video.
I watched some of it, it sounded really good!
Iām inclined to move on these pieces, but there doesnāt seem to be any under the hood features to eliminate any piano sound
Pianoteq seems to get better and better - it was pretty neat to me when it was first released years ago.
Iād rather use Pianoteq than a piano sample library, if I were forced to go back to a non-IOS computer, software only environment but allowed to work on my own music.
If I were doing soundtrack work, Iād probably sneak it in as much as possible, then switch to sample library if I got caught.
Of course itās easy for me to say all this because piano is not my main instrument. Also, my personal aesthetic is to not try to emulate acoustic instruments too closely when making electronic music.
There is nothing anywhere close to Keyscape. I donāt know exactly how it works - itās not JUST sampling. But nobody has done anything better than that. All the keyboards on it are amazing.
I think Pianoteq shows that given enough time and research, a physical model that is tailored to recreate a specific instrument can outperform or at least match a sample library. Research is still being done in the field, the modeling is just going to keep getting better. Doesnāt make sampling obsolete, just not the only game in town if you are interested in using ārealā instrument sounds.
Of course emulating real instruments is useful, but IMO the most exciting thing about PM is that it is synthesis and you should be able to explore a whole new universe of sounds that have acoustic like properties, but are physically impractical/impossible.
Emulation of acoustic or otherwise non electronic instruments is interesting and impressive, but for me it is a solution looking for a problem that doesnāt exist, like back when synths first started to try to emulate other instruments. Sometimes they got close enough to fool most people, but ultimately it was never a replacement, became a fad and became more interesting when used for what was not intended.
Maybe Iām weird but I find it much more interesting when more traditional musicians emulate synth music, like acid brass, bit brigade and so on.
no you are not weird This can be great
Have to disagree with you on this one. It is a solution to a well existing problem. Good quality sampled instruments are taking tens of gigabytes of data space, and are cumbersome to load. The processing power has significantly grown. If there is a good quality emulation (for people looking for that sound for their composition) it is a logical way to go.
Acoustic instruments emulating synth music can be fun and charming, but after a while it gets stale. There is only so much tambre one could coax out of one instrument, and the lack of complete tambre do over is what separates them. If there is a band that changes up the instruments they use for every single song, it would be closer to the feeling, but it would be a really complex and tasking endeavour.
Oh yes undoubtedly it is more efficient than having gb size samples, and from the point of view of emulation of acoustic or non electronic source sounds then Iād concede that it is a better solution than samples. What I meant was that I never really personally saw the point of emulation, because it wonāt convince people who know enough about the target instrument, and for those that donāt, often a much more basic technique will be just as effective because they donāt have knowledge or even care about the nuances of the target instrument.
Of course I realise that for reasons of cost and practicality emulation can be useful, but never really a replacement, on a number of fronts.
I aggree, at this time it is true. I can hope that further advancements in the technology field can help bring cheap and portable instruments that have acoustic sound properties, for pianos the emulation is already nearly there, just needs to be placed inside a keyboard to be percieved as an istrument. This would bring down the production costs of great sounding istruments, providing that the āhard softā instruments could emulate the nuances of playing the actual instruments in their electronic counterparts.
Powerful small computers inside an electronic instrument doing the calculations, breath controlers, wires, touch strips, to send the playing data for them to use in their algorithms, could bring the expensive acoustic sound to the casual musicians who could not afford high quality āreal versionā.
Not producing sound on their own is a bummer, but can be remedied with BT or integrated speakers. I like the way itās heading
Hey @darenager
Can you please swith your avatar back. For me itās like reading a post from someone else and not the guy I ve been knowing for years by now. (only the avatar of course)
Cheers
PS: not to be taken seriously, maybe a little bit
^ The good looking guy is back
hurrah!
You guys crack me up