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No … any content can be digitised and fed into some database … without control of the creator.
IMO creativity is essential for appealing to an audience that appreciates the difference between constantly repeated musical clichés and unique creations by personalities.
AI isn’t creative, isn’t empathic, and isn’t emotional. It’s only stealing content and combining it according to rules of probability.
The battle against an audience, which doesn’t care anymore about “good music”, which is used of streaming music such as getting power from a wall pluck, and which is not “listening carefully” to the music, seems to be already lost.
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Maybe it’s stating the obvious, but live sets are the cure to AI-generated music.
Made by real people in front of real people.
No track-IDs to feed the algo, provided it’s a truly improvised set.
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BTW … could also be a good opportunity to create some income 
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Exactly.
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an improvised set will always be just that and will always be safe until these robots learn how to dance but an improvised set isn’t the same thing as a body of work that you spent time producing … I’m talking about albums
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The best way to fight AI is bringing the Artist as a Voice back. A persona you can relate to.
I had posters of my favorite bands in my room when I was young because I not only liked the music I had those guys as kind of model for myself. AI can create personas shure but I rather keep on relating to other people, their storys and their lives.
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I can relate to that, and also I personally love the idea of physical tapes and records… I think it feels different to have your collection of music on your own platform (somewhere in your house) than on a streaming service… a lot of times I feel like not downloading music that I like cause why even go through that when I could just stream it and then that experience turns into you personalizing a playlist on a service that you don’t feel good about while looking at a bunch of other people’s not so personal music collections… I don’t know the whole experience is severely lacking compared to going over a record cover while listening to the record
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Sure, point taken.
Limited runs on physical formats can help a bit, but then again, once the source is digitalized, it’s like any other file, unfortunately.
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That was clear, but do people listen to music like in the old days? I think not.
In my youth I had records, which made most sense, when listened to in the order of the songs (Allen Parsons Project, Pink Floyd, The Who, Genesis and others). And I played them quite often.
IMO today many just ask for a “playlist”, which might be created by some algorithm, tracks ordered randomly to prevent becoming boring. Mostly they are just getting what all the others clicked on. We have to try to get those out of their bubbles, and to appreciate music again, which was made by individuals rather any kind of algorithm.
This may work by making live-shows. That would require more than just putting a “live-set” on a table and jam away … an example would be something like performances by “Kebu”. AFAIK he’s is performing his albums …
I don’t know, I kinda liked when there’s no obvious persona. A lot of musicians I listen to hide behind masks even. No idea what kind of people they are, and I don’t really want to know, because many are probably terrible, many are probably cringe, and the rest are both.
Even music videos often turn a profound experience into a cringey one. I really don’t think that putting the artist in the spotlight solves this issue. As an artist myself, I definitely don’t want people to pay attention to my personality rather than to my art.
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I’m not saying that what Kebu is doing can’t be done as well, but imo there is still an inherent human connection to holding something of value… there is a war on this type of value coming from every angle of course but I think it’s worth fighting for… humans and monkeys and monkey headed humans all like to hold physical things of value… we just have to figure out a way to make it attractive starting with the music… and maybe being creative with the media…
we can encourage the listener to try out the album format, push back against sound bite culture in the arts
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but isn’t that really an issue about piracy more so than AI… and streaming… those services can’t use your music unless you allow them to… although there is a ton of theft of people taking others music and releasing on digital platforms again still that’s another issue… if everyone turned to using physical media of some kind it would definitely create a shift… just imagine if taylor swift did vinyl only releases…
many of her fans would buy record players
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Seeing people playing live music they actually created seems to be the ultimate escape from AI
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agreed but it’s not practical enough in this regard… there isn’t enough time in a day for all the artist to make live performance the actual media we use for getting music in the hands of people… and what about the just as many or more people who don’t play live… AI is attacking the industry of music and art creation in general and I don’t think we can hope to compete with AI on it’s own turf, that’s like competing with trains on a track it ain’t gonna happen… but artist could en masse just get off the track… using physical media would be akin to getting off the track…
Ai will be able to use physical media too but it will be a harder sell imo
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I agree, I meant it more as a direction to take rather than a strict aim
(I mean focusing on the local dimension/proximity. Seeing as many live artists as you can in your neightbourhood, even if it’s not the best music)
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yeah and to be frank… I think people are gonna have to fire on all cylinders to make a dent in AI… before AI attacking artistry and devaluing art was already built into the culture so there is no magic bullet available… just gotta throw everything plus the kitchen sink at it
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Until AI physically takes music making tools away from me, I’m gonna keep making music.
Beyond a few interesting people doing interesting things with AI in their art, I couldn’t give a rats arse about AI and will seek out music made by people.
I presume I’m not alone in this.
If you’re trying to compete with Spotify and their AI playlist dystopia, you’re fighting for the attention of people who don’t give a fuck about you or your music, so stop wasting your time.
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At this point there needs to be much more political pressure than there already is placed to stop AI, every government and company’s hooked into it as they only really care about how it’ll do as much with as little as possible - people being placed out of work is collateral damage to them.
Problem is, the whole culture is oriented towards making money above even ethics, and challenging that entirely when people are taught that alternatives are “not realistic” or “not worth fighting for” is a huge uphill battle. People are convinced making money even at the cost of ethics is the sole viable way of life, whether on moral or practical terms.
Physical media won’t really stop it, especially when everything’s already dependent on a highly mature online environment.
Best way to stop AI is to stop using any ecosystem heavily invested in it.
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