I wouldn’t say this is generally so. I have a larger setup and no intention of using the Elektron sequencer, why should I waste my time with it? I’ll explore it best in the context I’ll use it, right?
However, it is good practice to release a machine with stable sync and reasonable latency. And apparently it is also becoming good practice to not buying new stuff, even from Elektron.
It’s actually very good to be loud and annoying when a company releases a problematic product. Elektron is not my friend. They are a for-profit corporation selling expensive, ostensibly professional equipment that I happen to generally like. If they didn’t want to hear about it on this forum, they should have either found a way to hold back the release until it was “done” or been more forthcoming about the actual state of their new retail product.
This is true in my case for sure. It’s in place as a standalone piece of hw, using single samples and not multis, so this escapes most of the bigger issues with it. The main reason for me picking it up was Fx and polyphony. I wasn’t especially looking for multi sampling. Will get into that a little once the October fix comes, and I get the critique when it’s a main feature of the device. But as a feature it was very low on my priorities, and I don’t imagine using it that much. And yeah, thoughts of getting additional gear to pair with it are quite distant at the moment. As a standalone it does so much on its own.
think I’m going to wait and see if a proper performance mode gets added. in no rush heor.
Thanks to @nonhorizon, @Lizard-of-Oz, @mekkimaru and @pmags for pointing out why it’s weird to shit on people who are big Elektron fans and trust the brand to remind Elektron that it would be nice if they released something in a state where all use cases advertised are actually working.
This forum needs constructive criticism and we should use the chance to offer it. Doesn’t mean those of you who have fun with their TV are idiots, I‘m glad it’s working for you. Two things can be right at the same time. But I don’t see why we should defend releasing unfinished products for a company or normalize this as the way things are nowadays, shifting the blame on everyone who says that things don’t have to be this way or are stupidity enough to buy day 1. And we‘ll all be here to praise Elektron when they fixed TV I‘m sure!
I come here in part because I can learn about shortcomings of gear that isn’t mentioned in synthtube day 1 hype videos.
is the issue what you hear or what you see …
imho the algorithm used across Elektron devices is creating false drama based on an overly sensitive algorithm which like has has very little smoothing in it … and i mean in terms of the numeric display and the derivation of the value, i wouldn’t be so quick to throw teh babay out with the bathwater if it sounds fine, because the display value is cited every week as an issue and in reality it’s usually inaudible
so if your ears are telling you it’s off and you can’t afford to wait on the october release then do what you feel is best
the flip side is, just how accurate is a source tempo if it’s being fed externally, and again, how much does it really matter
it may matter if devices are running separately, but when they are tied, does it really show
there’s no doubt there’s a significant midi jitter with autosampling, and a general device sluggishness, but if we upload a video showing a drift of +/- 0.1 bpm i think you’d be surprised at how many other devices do this
none of this is to suggest it isn’t an issue, it’s just about whether your ears or eyes are what you are reacting with … fwiw, but ymmv
my take is too much is made of the tempo readout across all devices
Midi does not specify an absolute tempo as a number, but rather a “click.”
The slave calculates the tempo from this.
Since the click is not generated, transmitted, and processed with 100% accuracy, visual fluctuations occur. Fluctuations of 0.1 within a bar cannot be heard.
There is an alternative display option:
Do not display the fluctuation, but round it off over a certain period of time. I think it’s okay that Elektron doesn’t do that.
If you start two unsynchronized Elektron devices at the same time with the same BPM (you may need to make corrections using the arrow keys), you will notice that they remain surprisingly synchronized despite the free running.
At the moment, I would actually start Tonverk independently and synchronize it manually, if I were to use the device live 
Same issue. Same retailer. They offered exchange and she made a note to packing department.
They sent the replacement even before I had shipped the first one back (with the dented corners). They also matched the new slightly lower price. The second one came in bigger box, more paper, but also had a dent (edit: the Elektron TV box, nit the device). At the side. Corners ok. I didn’t want to go that route again so I accepted it.
what do you mean by « it had a dent » the box or the machine?
They offered me either slight discount (-30€) or return… i would just prefer to keep the machine and have a new box & paper
The TV box was dented, at the corners. Poster damaged, too. TV fine.
That seems to be impossible. But with their exchange policy (overlapping send, return)I was not out of TV for one day.
I like the « packed with love » written on the thomann package…
Seems a little bit ironic considering this kind of issues
Yes. They have gone the amazon route with packing. Hope they keep up customer service. Nothing to complain about returns and exchanges so far.
Was not aware of that. Might do it as well or maybe I will just live with it
At least ask them to match the new lower price (like 70 less) if still in 30 days return window?
That’s not the issue being discussed and is quite normal. The TV can receive MIDI fine.
It’s the sending of MIDI that’s broken on TV. Calling it ‘jitter’ seems to be heavily downplaying the chaos that the TV currently sputters out as MIDI.
Here’s a recording:
A basic pattern is played on the DN2, seq’d by DN2. Fine.
Then the same pattern is played on the DN2, seq’d via TV over MIDI cable. Not fine.
And here’s the DN2’s tempo when clocked via TV (120bpm) – not a 0.1 bpm drift:
holy shit i didnt expect it to be that bad lmao 
Is there still a USB cable plugged into a device?
No. It does this with only a MIDI cable connecting the 2 devices, no usb cables attached to either machine. Timing remains chaotic even with clock is disabled and only midi notes are being sent.
It might be that I have a different prob (hardware?) than the ‘jitter’ issue, but when I reported it (with very similar audio examples), Elektron replied with something like ‘the MIDI jitter issue is known and is being worked on with highest priority’. I have no doubt it’ll be fixed, and I’m ok to use it standalone for now. But it’s no small thing.
Shit me.
