Help me plan my studio setup

I need a piece of advice on what to do with my studio right now:

Problem is, even though I buy a piece of gear every several months, now I have more things than the time needed to deeply learn them, and I’m jumping from device to device without really finishing anything (which is fun for a while, but I’d prefer to make some finished tracks now). So, I’d like to sell some things, but can’t decide which ones. At the same time, I miss some features, and GAS over some (elektron) gear.

This is what I have, and my though on it:

  • Maschine mk3: like the pads, like the sounds that comes with it. I don’t really gel with the maschine software, and also I’m finding it awkward to use it as a controller for bitwig. But it’s useful when I travel, or want to take only some gear apart, because you can do all sort of things with just the computer and this.

  • Microfreak: a lot to explore yet, but I like it. Some problems on hot weather with sweaty hands.

  • A4: a huge amount of things to explore yet. I find the small screen awkward, and the synth more difficult to program than the others, but I reckon the incredible potential of this device.

  • Deepmind 12d: last acquisition (in tha radar for a long time, I found a very good second hand offer), still have to explore it. It sounds good. Some overlapping with other devices.

  • DT: I love this, probably the one I know and use more. The only hardware sampler.

  • DN: next in the list after the DT. I use it often.

  • AH: I reckon the possibilities, but I haven’t used it much despite having it for more than 2 years.

  • Typhon: still a lot to explore. I like the sound and effects, but a bit awkward to use with the small screen and sliders.

  • Tr6s: menu-divey, but a very good drum machine.

  • Keystep 37: love this, use it every single time.

  • Zoom h4npro: very useful recorder, I use it a lot for many things.

  • Zoom ms70cdr: multipurpose effects pedal. I pair it with the MF.

What I miss:

  • Some way to sample the synths I have, so I can sample and reuse the voices, or I can forget about it and compose the track using fewer devices. The DT can sample, but only in mono and have very limited memory.

  • Maybe some “brain” that let me sequence things outside the 4 bar paradigm.

What I GAS for:

  • Syntakt. Doesn’t solve any of my problems :slight_smile: But I dream with the DT+DN+ST combination, since the DT and DN are my preferred devices so far.

Sorry for the long post, I wanted to give some context to where am I right now.

So, what do you think I should do/sell/buy?

Keep the DT DN and Keystep.
Sell everything else.

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Keep maschine, sell the rest :wink:

Joking: Keep DT and DN if these are your favorites.

Have you tried putting some of them away and then getting them out when you feel the desire to use them? It works ok for me as a GAS + complexity management strategy. It’s not great… I just bought a couple of new things for the fun of it… :smiley:

Can Maschine help you with this (I’m not too familiar with it)?

I’m in the queue for a Cirklon. The wait lets me save/GAS/scheme/daydream. I’ve considered a Pyramid in the meantime. The small screen and tiny USB sockets put me off. I’d like to try one before I buy one.

I just said “fuck it” for one of these… I really don’t need it. It’s gonna mess with my main workflow by being slightly too powerful to consider a toy (like I viewed my Cycles), but too much drum beside my Rytm. So I plan to use it just as a standalone toy/sketchpad and see how we get on. I’m not trying to enable your GAS; if anything, I’m trying to put you off getting another “big” instrument that’ll completely mess up your aim to focus.

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I’m in a phase of selling anything with a UI I don’t love. No point being actively frustrated alongside having to practice and learn.

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Break down your set-up into several small ones. Try out a few different combinations. I’m really enjoying the “one synth, one sampler, one drum-machine” approach at the moment (although to be fair my drum machine is capable synth, and my sampler’s also a mixer, sequencer and FX unit).

Have different setups for different genres, moods, workflows. A learning set-up, a tracks set-up, a sound design set-up, an improvisation set-up… etc.

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Maschine has an auto sampler now that lets you create multisample instruments with ease.
Perfect for what you want

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I thought about this, but I’m unsure. I’ve been too poor all my life to feel fine keeping a thousand euros unused in boxes. And there is the risk I keep changing my mind about what to keep packed and what not.

Yes, it can. And as @Unifono said, there is a new auto sampler feature in maschine. However, this involves a computer to create the samples, and a computer to use them after that. I’m fine with computers (I’m a computer science teacher), but I prefer hardware for music.

Haha! Elektron knows how to tempt us.

That’s not a risk. That’s “learning your gear”. Combine with the “mini set-ups” idea for deeper learning and lower overwhelm (IMO).

Keep all the Elektrons. 100% Elektron set is awesome. That’s what I’d get if I was serious about making electronic music.

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Try this thought experiment. What would you buy to put on your desk if you didn’t have any gear whatsoever? If you would absolutely buy one of the boxes again because you use it often and you find it inspiring, then keep it. All the others can go.

Another way of putting it. Stop thinking about the potential of gear. Instead think only of what’s actually proven to be productive for you.

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DT as the brains of your setup, sending midi to other boxes. A4 as the drums, with help from DT when needed. DN for the pads, leads and bass. Melodics and atmosphere. Analog Heat for gluing everything together. Alternatively DT for drums, A4 for atmospherics and DN for leads, chords and bass.

All that setup is maybe missing is a bread & butter bass synth, like a Minitaur or similar that’s good at bass. Otherwise it’s an extremely versatile and fun setup with the added benefit of Elektron devices working so well together.

I wouldn’t put away the Typhon for this task, it’s a very capable bass Synth.

Sure, he said he doesn’t like the small screen tho. Maybe something without a screen or anything fancy, just a simple tool for basslines would be better.

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make a song that sounds good to you!
choose a starting point, any ONE piece of gear. (yes, one, dont think about planning)
take it away from the wall of music equipment and start composing.
(its important to change environment, different room perhaps)
while working on it, whenever you feel like “i wish i had this for this exact part”
take something from the wall and bring it to your new work place
see if it works for you, if it does - great, if not, just put it away and try something else
throughout this process you should bring to your new studio only those things that work for you and actively contribute to you making music.

specs and value of gear dont matter if you dont want to make music with it.
things that sound good, make you excited to create and dont slow you down - is whats important.


P.S. pushing yourself with art is not a good idea.
its a really difficult thing to do, and anything that slows you down, would eventually make you stop making music. AKA its common to like a piece of gear even if it inhibits your creative process, and its a learning process to be able to catch yourself on that.
If every piece of gear you use has 1 small hickup, it accumulates into you not wanting to make music without knowing why. :v:

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my advice would be: use one device at a time, try to make a full song with it. For example use the a4 alone. It is a full groovebox. When you feel comfortable with it, try to fit 2 machines together.

You have alot of tools, for me it would be way too much… But this is just my personal taste.
I think less is more and in the end it is not about how much stuff you have, rather how trained you are to use it. And it comes only down to experience (aka time) you put into it.

The a4 is incredibly deep and can do so much, you can probably do full tracks with it. I think its really cool. I would start with that, if its not too complicated.

I am probably going to be projecting with this post, because it seems like I’m in a similar place to you right now.
I have much of the same gear (the Microfreak + Zoom MS-70, Digitone, TR-6S) and have similar issues.
I feel like I bought too much, too quickly (for me, because it was a new hobby I picked up in the pandemic - and some of that was definitely “retail therapy”).

What I really need to do is spend time learning the gear that I have, and finding out exactly what works for me and what doesn’t.
It’s very easy to see new gear and think if you just had this one extra bit of hardware, it would all come together. Or lust after the hot new thing because all the influencers have moved onto it now, etc.

The reality, for me at least, is that I need to practice my playing more, study more music theory, spend more time learning the tools that I have instead of thinking that buying more gear will make things easier.
In some cases, maybe new gear would be easier because it has more knobs-per-function, rather than shift functions and menu diving; but that’s not really what’s holding me back. There are many people that are extremely proficient with any of these devices, and making great music.

I have been feeling this a lot in my own setup lately.
Perhaps it’s my inexperience, but I think I just hate hardware sequencing and pattern chaining - especially without a “song mode” to store that chain, or when I can’t automate things like variation changes on the TR-6S via MIDI.

Despite how much others seem to like it, I feel like I’m constantly hitting up against restrictions or limitations when I try to use the Elektron sequencer - or maybe I just hate the workflow.
Sequencing has its place, for sure; but especially for synths - I greatly prefer to just play the part live and not have to worry about running over the sequence length, or programming things in just right, etc.

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Now, I don’t know exactly what you mean when you say that you want to sequence “outside the 4 bar paradigm.”

The Elektron boxes that you own support up to 16 bars per pattern, with no restriction on pattern length below that (2-64 steps), and each track can have its own length if you’re wanting to use polymeters.

But there are many other ways to approach this, if what you mean is that you’re frustrated with the Elektron sequencer (as I am).

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The most-powerful, but least-appealing to me is switching to a DAW.
For me, the whole reason I started this was to get away from sitting at a desk and staring at a monitor or tv all day.
But a DAW is unparalleled in this regard, as there’s essentially no limit on pattern lengths/sequences/generators, and you can just multi-track audio straight in.

The interface is so much easier than hardware for certain things as well. Everything I’ve seen of software synthesizers like Phase Plant seems to give a far better indication of what’s actually happening to generate a tone than actual hardware where you can’t see the oscillators running, etc.

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If you’re wanting to experiment with things like euclidean sequencing or other alternatives, but are wanting to remain “DAWless,” consider mobile apps as a half-step between the DAW and very esoteric (often-expensive) hardware sequencers.

I’m only familiar with iOS, but you can enable class-compliant usb on the Digitakt/tone to turn them into a mobile audio/midi interface with the right cable.

Now you have access to apps that are typically in the $5~$20 range for things like euclidean/generative sequencing (e.g. Drambo) and other experimental sequencers like Fugue Machine.
It also opens up the possibility of being able to control/sequence software synths with your hardware.
And being able to sample directly from your hardware into other apps like Koala Sampler (though that may be less relevant with a Digitakt).

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And one other possibility I’ve been looking at is a sampler like the Roland SP-404MKII for basic recording/overdubbing (and chopping up/resampling).

It is more hardware, and hypocritical of me - especially when a lot of it can be done with Koala Sampler; but in my case, I don’t have a hardware sampler yet.

For me, this looks pretty ideal because it does stereo sampling, supports up to 16 minutes per sample, has over-dubbing, 32-voice polyphony and chromatic sample playback, has good controls/interface for chopping samples, velocity sensitive pads for playback, and a good range of built-in effects (which might be able to replace the MS-70).

But I don’t know about the workflow. I’ve heard the sequencer is pretty basic.

All of the different hardware sampler options out there, such as the Circuit Rhythm and Digitakt, seem to target a completely different workflow/audience - so the specs alone are not enough to say whether it’s the right device for me - or whether it’d be a good replacement for a Digitakt if you’re finding mono sampling to be limiting.

Yeah - I really understand this.
My setup is smaller than yours, and the amount I’ve spent still eats away at me when I feel like I’m not using it to anything near its full potential, or think that it’s just sitting there being “wasted.”

I think the thing for me is that I don’t anticipate the resale value for any of this to drop significantly over time.
So for now at least, I’d rather keep what I’ve already bought, and spend my time learning it inside and out - even if that means I’m not using it all right now.

I’ve put learning the Digitone’s FM synthesis on hold for now, as it’s just too complex on top of everything else.

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I do agree with people that say you should probably put a lot of the gear away, or create a couple of different setups - so that you aren’t spending more time fussing with the setup than actually learning the instruments and the workflow.

Maybe set up the Digitakt with the keystep and one other synth.
That way you can use the DT for drums/sampling and learning the Elektron sequencer (if that’s something you still want to do) while learning one of the synths.

Then, since it’s battery powered, you can use the TR-6S on its own somewhere else and learn it more in-depth, while getting a better understanding of drums patterns. I’ve been finding that quite fun on its own with a pair of headphones.
Or maybe run the Microfreak off a USB battery bank and do the same for synthesis. You could pair the two together as a more “mobile” setup.
It can also be powered over USB by an iPad (Pro) and supports class-compliant MIDI if you wanted to experiment with sequencing apps.

Unless you actually need the money, there’s no harm in putting some of that hardware back in its box and storing it away for a while, so that you can focus on learning one or two pieces of hardware at a time.

If you’re really wanting to downsize, I’m not sure that you need all of the Analog Four, Digitone, Microfreak, Typhon and Deepmind.

Five synths is a lot. If I had a better understanding of what I was buying at the time, I may not have ended up with both the Microfreak and Digitone together. But I feel that it’s currently more valuable to still keep them both, since they use different types of synthesis and there’s a lot to learn about each.

I hope this wasn’t too rambling (or self-centered) and there was at least some helpful advice here.
I’m just vocalizing a lot of my own thought processes on this right now - even with a smaller setup.

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Four devices there that you mention potential and possibilities. If you never see this then they have to go. You wont put the time in if you havent already.
Analogue Four
Heat
Microfreak
Typhon.

The rest you say you use to their potential.

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Keep the Akai Rhythm Wolf, sell the rest.

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The call of the Wild.

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