Expressive E Osmose

not going to happen anytime soon :wink:

anyways, EE chose the haken engine for what it is… its not going to change anytime soon.
Id say it’s much more likely, that EE, would deliver another synth, that’d just use the key technology but with a more ‘familiar’ synth engine… perhaps similar to the original Roli.

in the mid-term, one exciting area is what we know Haken are working on, which is a new ‘synthesis module’ for eagan matrix. (*) . they have been showing this off at Superbooth for last couple of years… but its hard to tame :slight_smile:

yes, there is talk of a new EM editor… but last time I spoke to them, it did NOT sound like it was close…and Id also be surprised, if from a users perspective its much different. ( ** )

as for EE, there are limits to what they could do in their firmware, they are pretty at the limit at what they can expose of the EM.
due to EMs nature, it’d not be easy to expose much more.

I know… perhaps sounds like Im being conservative, but rather I see it as realistic, given the size of the teams involved and resources they have.
ofc, they might be doing stuff, and keeping it quiet… but they also might not :laughing:

( * ) consider this a new ‘oscillator’ for the existing EM, EM is fundamentally unaltered.

( ** ) mostly this sounds like moving the EM away from Max/MSP for support reasons… though, I’ll say Haken themselves think Max has been very good for them, which is why they are not in a huge rush away from it.
Id not be surprised if the resulting application, looked pretty similar, but with just a few QoL changes…
id be amazed, if the matrix style was changed… as this is the design of the synth engine, its not just a ui representation.
(Ive reverse engineered most of the editor… so I know how it all ‘ticks’ !)

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Just wanted to share an experiment I made with Osmose a couple months ago. It’s amazingly conducive to playing with other instruments–inspirational, really. The nuance of control can excite deliciously subtle interplay with other voices.

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Beautiful, thanks for sharing!

Did you use mostly envelope followers (in addition to MIDI) in your 200e system for the interplay, or is there also pitch detection involved (like a 232)?

I subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to watching more…

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I appreciate your kind feedback and hope to share some new things on the channel before too long. Thanks for taking a moment to watch!

MIDI - yes, indeed, primarily to give the “cascade” of accompanying notes their pitch centers.

Envelope follower on the 230e gets a little slew treatment and then influences a function generator. Another way I introduced lag & shape was to use the envelopes from the Spectral Processor, In an attempt to build in some behaviors that reacted to not just pitch but amplitude + timbre as well.

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Ok, after experimenting some more, I can definitely state that, for me, the Osmose needs an effect box to sound good. When using it together with my Analog Heat +FX (or in a pinch, even the drive on the Syntakt), I quite like the sound. So, I would say it really benefits from some heavy saturation/distortion and then a good reverb (I really haven’t been able to put the reverb in Osmose to any good use, and besides, I don’t want to saturate the reverb signal).

Anyone have tips on other effect boxes that might work with Osmose? I want to use my Analog Heat +FX together with my Syntakt, so preferably something else. I’ve tried the H90 on other instruments, and I really like the reverbs, but I can’t remember there being a lot of good saturation/distortion effects. Right now, Chroma Console is probably on the top of my watchlist.

You could use overdrive/distortion guitar pedals.

Some of the bitcrusher pedals can also add saturation on mild settings.

Hi another Ableton question.
Has anyone fiugured out how to use the new expression control coming with live 12?
It seems to behave diffrent as it combines the slide expression int the pressure expression. The pressure expression thus has a jump.
Anyone checked that?

Wow,I didn’t tried I dont have 12 version but doesn’t sound as logical. Maybe there’s an option to do that but even in Seaboard is not desired. If you can’t find the solution you have to replace it by Expression Control+ is a M4L device very similar but you have to convert it to MPE but is not too difficult to do.

Nice video by Anthony Marinelli on the Osmose, presented by Joshua Madoff, who is a well-known recent Continuum and Continuumini performer:

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I should quit my job to have time to learn all what this instrument offers. Or dump Bitwig and the Polyend Play+ who also are black wholes of possibilities and technique if you have the time.

So many good choices.

I like mine but… Sacrilege…

I’D PREFER A 3 OCTAVE MINI KEY VERSION

seriously, I don’t need it to be huge

This was nice. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I have desktop versions of the Hydrasynth, Cobalt8, and Iridium because the keyboards on those synths didn’t add much to the usability of the synth, but with the Osmose, the keybed seems to me to be an essential part of the whole experience.

More than the synth part in my opinion. I quite rarely use it as a synth nowadays but I’m happy with it as a controller.

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I plan to get one eventually, and use it as a controller for my other MPE synths, including Live 12.

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Another reason to gte an Osmose.,…

https://www.expressivee.com/109-phase-p … e8ab436ad4

Great to see pre-sets (4 packs!) being made specifically for Osmose, all set up and ready to play! very cheap as well if you own PP and Osmose (i just bought them, well worth it)

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at 99 euros for the 4 packs incl Phase Plant, its a nice deal… just grabbed it myself !

(if you own already own phase plant , the 4 packs are 39e)

some nice demos in their video…

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Actually cheaper if you log and and own an osmose. I paid 26E for just the 4 packs (I own PP) but it was showing €65.83 if you didn’t own PP? (my prices exclude VAT)

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Did you buy your osmose direct from EE? i bought mine at a retailer, not seeing the discount on the plugin (shows $99 usd) or presets ($39 usd)

Did not know you could connect a sostenuto pedal and use it to fade sustained notes in and out while you play something else.

Here Josh says there “some sound design in the works”, which I think means EE hasn’t given up on creating new internal Osmose patches, instead of just wanting to sell us new MPE softsynths/patch libraries for softsynths.

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