perhaps… though, frankly, I don’t care at the moment…
Im focusing on playing the Osmose, resisting my natural urges to dig too much in the technical side.
its clear that the Osmose firmware doing the MPE/midi <-> MPE+ is not perfect, nor optimised.
thats ok, its a new product, there will be firmware updates, it’ll improve.
so for now, Im just focusing on learning to play it , and also learn the Eagan Matrix…
much more fun than looking at midi streams
so I stand by, for most (not all) , just use MPE , perhaps in a few scenarios MPE+ might be slighly better - but for the vast majority, they won’t even notice, and will have a better ‘user experience’
Sure, I have fun playing it too, and thats probably why various Osmose threads have become quieter recently, existing owners are just having fun playing it. But that doesnt help answer some peoples questions in full detail. And EaganMatrix programming is not much fun for me so far, though I dont rule out the possibility that this will change in time. One of the reasons I studied the midi data is because the first patches it looks like I’m going to make are with other synths, and I wanted to get my head round the details of the midi and which midi output to use with other synths. I think that with the current firmware I will probably use the MPE+ output even with synths that are not going to benefit from the CC87 stuff in +. Next time I post I hope to have made a few fun patches on the Waldorf Iridium that play well with Osmose, exciting times indeed.
I don’t have my osmose yet but I’ve decided to treat it like an acoustic instrument in the way I treat guitar, banjo, woodwinds, etc… when I record.
I loath editing standard MIDI for synths captured from live playing as it is. Editing MPE (or eventually MPE+) sounds like the stuff of nightmares.
It’s gonna be takes, retakes and punch ins all the way for me.
yup, this is what Im doing (and have been doing with things like my Eigenharp)…
and as we are at Elektronauts … of course a shout out to the Octatrack
as for midi/mpe… I think this is going to be very interesting to watch develop.
after a few months/year…
how many will (predominantly) use the Osmose with the sound engine vs as a controller.
Im sure everyone will do a bit of both… but after some time, where will they lean !
funny at the moment,
Ive done very little Osmose → other synth, only really Madrona labs Aalto.
But I’ve done alot more MPE controllers → Osmose/Eagan Matrix
but then again, Ive been dreaming of having the Eagan Matrix for many years, even prior to the Osmose… only reason I didn’t get the Eagan Matrix Module, was the Osmose was ‘incoming’
When I get the Osmose (which I’ve decided I definitely will, in part due to the reflections of owners on this thread), I will be getting it in large part as a less expensive alternative to the Continuum to access the EM engine. I think I will be satisfied with using it on its own, even if I decide I don’t want to use it to control any other synth. I do hope that the introduction of the Osmose eventually leads to others creating even more presets and sound design options for it (e.g. now that Tim Shoebridge has figure out how to attach the power plug properly ).
I’ll be interested to see whether the Osmose kickstarts any patch designers making MPE/Osmose-specific banks of patches for certain MPE synths. This sort of thing hasnt exactly been a lucrative market so far, mostly dominated by packs for things like Equator. Maybe Osmose momentum will start to change that. Then it will be interesting to see which synths people choose to use for this mission.
Yeah I’m reasonably confident we’ll see EE do some deals in future, as they seek to further broaden the appeal of the Osmose. UVI did post a video showing their IRCAM Solo Instruments 2 being used with the Osmose, but that was a long time ago, back in the earlier days of Osmose promotion, long before actual launch.
I was thinking more about the independent synth patch makers.
Their own documentation makes it sound worse than it is, because they dont want to acknowledge that at the moment you can work round this by using the MPE+ midi instead. And you can actually use that midi to control other MPE synths, because MPE+ is mostly backwards compatible, synths just ignore the extra stuff in MPE+ and it ends up much like normal MPE as far as the other synths are concerned.
anyone else going to ContinuuCon?
May 17-19 2023 - Palmela (Portugal)
Despite the name, it is very relevant to the Osmose…
I’ve not been previous years, as I don’t have a Continuum, but know many that have… and so Im really looking forward to going this year !
I know the organisers very well, so I’ve some insight to the itinerary, and going to fantastic.
basically, It’s a lovely blend of talks about various topics surrounding these lovely instruments (and Eagan Matrix), musical performances from some of the worlds best Continuum and Osmose players, and perhaps as importantly socialising with like-minded musicians, including a great opportunity to meet the likes of Lippold Haken, Edmund Eagan, Christophe Duquesne, and some of the crew from Expressive E behind the Osmose.
I will say it’s a pretty small event., as its so focused, so tickets/numbers are pretty limited.
anyway, I can’t wait, its going to be a crazy May, as I also go to Superbooth the week before!
so May , I soak myself in the Electronic Music scene, and come back so inspired to make music, with so many new ideas learnt from those I meet
bring it on …
Is there an actual support email for Expressive E?
I’ve been trying to submit a support ticket via the website but for whatever reason it seems to hate me.
I get the “your ticket has been created and you’ll receive a confirmation email” box but then no email comes (nothing in spam), no follow up. I first tried to submit a support ticket two weeks ago, waited a few days to see if I’d get the confirmation - nothing came so tried again - nothing came. Been away for a while and tried to submit another ticket a few days ago - again, no confirmation email.
It used to work weeks ago. Either their system has since broken or there is some issues between their email server and your email server. Do you have a different email address of your own that uses a different server that you can try?
When I used it I got confirmation of ticket and then eventually human responses that both had a reply address of osmose@expressivee.com so you could always try that.
for me, I went thru contact form ( a few weeks back),
then my first reply was automated, saying they were extremely busy, and it could be 7-10 days for a reply. and it did take this long.
(I think I ended up replying to it to ‘ping’ them, and they apologised for the delay)
BUT once they opened the ‘issue’ , then I was getting response pretty much immediately as we worked thru the issue… that was using the above email address.
so I looks to me like they are processing as fast as possible… but initial query might take a while.
(and Id assume they are prioritise based on severity)
I will say, their support, once started , was nothing short of exemplary… very quick, and thorough.
Im a great believer that you cannot stop things ‘going wrong’ 100% of the time, thats natural, but how you handle it if/when they do is the important part… and Expressive E get a 10/10 for me on that side.
I tried multiple different email address, different browsers, made sure I had no adblock or anything running that could be interfering with the form etc etc. I assumed they would be busy, but it’d be nice just to get some confirmation I’m in the system somewhere.
After emailing the support@ address someone got back to me. It seems my tickets had been logged but confirmation emails just hadn’t gone out
@Lieder yes, I’m having two issues 1) there seems to be an issue with a couple of keys feeling loose and making a lot of noise when moving laterally and 2) I’m getting what sounds like distortion and/or bitcrushing intermittently when playing. Sometimes immediately on changing patch, sometimes after a few minutes, sometimes once in a few hours of playing, sometimes several times a minute.
Yesterday I tried to use the Osmose with the OB-6 (upgrading OB-6 firmware was tedious btw).
I can’t get long notes / pads, a pity…
Anyone tried this couple of beasts hooked together?
Thanks for sharing. I haven’t done a lot of digging but you are the first person I’ve seen with an issue. Hopefully it’s just a one off and they get you sorted out really quick.
I’d love to hear the progress and your opinions with their overall support if you are willing to share.
Cheers
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