Expert Sleepers Disting NT

Think Os will be focusing effort on NT. Could be better to swap your EX to NT sooner rather than later, depending on how you are planning to use your ES device in future. Not a cheap module but I might switch.

one thing, I didnt realise/ not documented (when I looked)

NT can also be a usb audio interface. (dc coupled)
basically it has two algorithms that can send up 8 channels of audio/cv and receive 12 channels.

Ive found with the Percussa modules, this is a really nice way to interface your eurorack system with your daw, or hooking up with things like VCV rack.
so surprised its not made much clearer in the ā€˜marketing material’ for NT :slight_smile:

note: so its 8/12, and its fixed at 48khz SR (currently)
I dont know what the latency is, because as above, it wasn’t documented when I last looked.

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Its starting to look like pretty good value…

@circuitghost
Maybe this is something for your endeavours? Read over at MW that you can add up quite some ā€œalgorithms" for all kind of CV/Audio mangling.

"I just tried this adding:

8 * VCF
VCA (8 channels)
Stereo mixer
8 * delay (tape 2sec max delay)
8 * reverb

CPU is hovering around 55%, but looks like memory is near max"

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Interesting.

Tho my grapevine’s just told me there’s something not announced yet but coming soon, worth waiting for.

So I’m saving myself. For now :smirk:

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Tell me more. My wallet was spared this week with Chase Bliss and Ableton but alas I have succumb to the new Disting, hopefully it arrives soon from Moog Audio.

Does this grapevine speak of modular things or other?

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Other.

Not that I was tempted by Move.

But I’m even less tempted now.

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What is the grapevine saying? Are we talking Tonverk?
I am also very tempted by the NT…probably stuck my EX on eBay this weekend…

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I’ll be quiet now.

But I’m excited, and I’m happy my daw days didn’t last all that long, haha :smiley:

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DAW? New Elektron! What? I’m making spitting sawdust noises in frustration at your intrigue……

The NT looks great, I’ve got an EX, due to space I was thinking nope, however mixer+eq+interface is compelling….

Anyone own one of these NT modules that would care to share some info?

Yeah, I can try, what’s up?

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That was poorly worded on my part, sorry! Was looking for user feedback comments. Glad you got it? Works well for your needs? Favorite use cases? That sort of thing :slight_smile:

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Right! Sure:

I have a smallish (I think 6U, 67HP?) modular, and it’s pretty unorthodox. Mostly digital modules, it’s a playground, not at all your ā€œrun vco and env to vca to filter to get synthā€ type of a deal.

The Disting NT has proved very good indeed.

I never gelled with the UI of any of the previous ones, just too complex and idiosyncratic. This has some of that, but it doesn’t get in the way at all as much as with the previous ones.

It doesn’t have all the Disting algos, but it’s already ridiculously powerful. I could run it as 6 stereo filters, many polyphonic sound sources, many traditional subtractive synths, multiple granular devices, a mixer complete with effects you can fader throw audio to… It has a sound recorder, an autosampler…

There are some quirks. My SD card(?) throws these bufferrun errors when playing or recording samples, but I haven’t noticed any audible glitches so far. The way the inputs, outputs and auxes was pretty difficult for my brain in the start. It still has some of that ES UI, where things are logical in principle, but your already learned knowledge of electronic music UI’s doesn’t quite apply, if you know what I mean :slight_smile: Also, with power comes complexity, setting some things up is pretty complex at times.

I do a lot of ā€˜patching from scratch’ with it, but I’d like to move towards building some stable presets that I call up when I need them – for instance, the mixer with FX I mentioned, a granular/reverb playground, etc. etc.

The connectivity is pretty great. It’s not a USB Host, which is a minus, but it has USB, MicroSD, TRS MIDI (expander included) and it also acts as a multi-channel audio interface (haven’t had time to try it out yet).

It has very good CV modulation capabilities, but I like using it with external MIDI controllers (knobs and such).

TBH, I didn’t expect to like it as much as I do. Really glad I got it.

If you have some specific questions, I can try and answer :+1:

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Oh man, great overview! Thanks so much for that!

I actually sold off most of my eurorack and the bigger cases and have decided on seeing just how much weirdness I can get out of 84 HP. It won’t be for ā€˜normal’ synth duties the way I’m picturing it now.

I’ll watch some more videos and think on it!

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Has anyone seen / found / able to do a comparison between the Disting NT and the Percussa XMX?? Was about to order the NT and then came across the XMX… :frowning:

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We call out for @thetechnobear for this :slight_smile:

note: I don’t have a Disting NT, so can only really talk from what Ive seen/read in the manual.

tl;dr; turned into a mammoth post :laughing:

  • NT hyper focused as a eurorack module form factor, inherits decades of disting dev.
  • XMX more open, has potential e.g usb audio interface , but not realised yet.
  • 4ms Meta Module, cannot be ignored in this space ! (more below)

they take quite a different approach, though often can be used in similar ways.
at (an overly?) simplified level

disting nt has evolved from the tools approach of disting. basically, allowing this individual tools to be connected via internal busses.
xmx (like the SSP) has come from a more traditional virtual modular route, so using modular metaphors.

its subtle, and as I say, mostly can achieve the same results.
neither is better, perhaps virtual modulars might be more familiar, but you could argue the disting might suit a small screen better.

an undeniable strength of the disting NT is the modules have been build up by Os over a very long period (of disting iterations), they are very impressive.

the strength of the xmx is its linux based, and you can build your own modules or even dedicated software (and so can third parties). its an open platform. something Ive been doing.
(however, Os has just released a toolchain so you can build modules for NT too)

technically, xmx is spec’d to do audio over usb (usb audio interface), but this has (still) not been released yet. on the flip side, I really wish the xmx had a bit more memory on board.

overall, I think whilst the xmx has lots of potential, I think the NT looks to be really useful out of the box…

ofc, the elephant in the room is the 4ms Meta Module (which I also have), and is definitely something you should also be considering.

the MM has the advantage that you can build patches in vcv, and we are seeing ports of many vcv modules. its an impressive module.

personally, I think it suffers a little from the skeuomorphism of vcv/modular being crammed into a small screen, at least compared to the NT (and xmx) where the UIs are designed from scratch for small screens. but in fairness, I think it does a remarkable job considering limitations.

also, like Os/Expert Sleepers with NT , its undeniable Dan/4ms are pouring a lot of effort into constantly improving MM.

also, MM is ā€˜young’ by comparison, in many ways Ive paused by efforts with MM, until they release the 2.0 firmware (in dev), which I think will be a big step forwards.

I’d need to play with an NT hands on to be definitive, but like the NT vs XMX.

I’d say possibly the NT is a little more direct in usability, its been cleverly designed, to maximise the form factor, laser focused in usability.
however, the MM, is probably more familiar (to many), and has some real advantages in terms of flexibility (part due to association with vcv).


note: ultimately all will be limited in capabilities by cpu/memory, unfortunately, I can’t say much on this, as it depends on optimisation and to test that Id need to do hands-on tests which each… also it’ll depend a bit on individual modules (esp. on MM where the module code is ā€˜inherited’ from vcv desktop modules)
so if you are really into complex patching… this could be a factor, though honestly, I find complex patching a bit tedious on them all :wink:

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New videos up recently-ish with C++ and Faust plugins, plus Lua scripting. This is starting to look like a really interesting platform to roll your own DSP.
If I could just get myself pulled together to get started :upside_down_face:

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NT is.shaping up to be a great gadget. I sometimes think how much CPU and RAM was considered before its final iteration.