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A particle or a wave? I suppose it is analog vs digital all the way down to sub-atomic level.

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Isn’t that buddhism etc…?

That! :+1:

Just to feed the Analog vs Digital debate ( :boom:), at subatomic level we can talk only about discrete statuses.
I don’t remember well the details, I read that on the book from Brian Green, The Elegant Universe… perhaps it was about the strings theory, anyway I well remember that when I was reading popped in mind all the analog vs digital debates in the audio world, where everyone thinking that analog is better.
I thought, “that’s cool, analog doesn’t exist at this point, is just our senses resolution, or better, perception”.

There is an interesting analogy …

In the early days it was a hot debate in physics, whether light would be a particle or a wave. Both debating parties could proove by experimental results that they had observed particle or wave behaviour.

This debate was ended, IIRC, by Einstein telling them that both were right, because each party had looked through a particular window and hence observed what could be seen through this particular window. But those windows could not show all properties of light simultaneously …

It’s common knowledge in physics, at least there that experiments or measurements change the environment or object of investigation. The quality of the results strongly depends on the magnitude of change. The less the better :wink:

IMO the discussion about digital and analogue always appeard weird to me, because it was not debated as facts vs facts but ideologically. If we accept that there is nothing like analogue as a physical fact, this debate becomes even weirder …

To get the discussion of particle or wave … being the nature of light … to music, I suggest to talk about timbre, pitch, rhythm, mood, and atmosphere. If it sounds great or fits to the idea of the artist, it’s the right source to work with, independently of its creation.

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The idea of „Elegant“ physics is a roadblock that hinders physics for about the past 25 years at least.

Same as chaos theory, quantisation/organisation is a function of scale.
e.g. how long is the coastline of Britain - to the nearest km? Nearest metre, millimetre, nearest molecule. Different answers for different resolutions.
Plus that system is infinite too, e.g. half of something is always something.
If I remember right anyway!

Totally, and how much stuff has THAT approach screwed up in the world! I would always choose fact over ideology, I guess this is why I’m a cynic and an atheist :slightly_smiling_face:

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In one particular Yogic tradition (Sivananda), the source of all creation is Shiva (pure energy/lifeforce/consciousness/the unseen), from it emerges Shakti (its vibrations) which give rise to Maya (the “illusion” and images of existence).

So the ultimate source emanates vibrations that give rise to the illusions we call life.

I like this. We know that all of our senses actually pick up vibrations/frequency and that those give rise to our experiences — I like to think of the frequency spectrum as one whole continuum, where for different sections of it we have different organs/senses that translate those vibrations into different imagery (eg sound, sight, feel).

Synesthesia is a nice example for how our senses can at times interpret vibrations from other parts of the frequency spectrum (eg colour having a taste, or sounds having a colour etc).

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I did a little lite googling, and couldn’t find a resource for this, just checking, are you saying Tesla said that we prefer the company of people who’s frequency (mental?) is around our own? Like we can pick up the internal mental frequencies of other people?

This phenomenon (observation’s effect on state) has been observed in quantum/ particle physics but if it applies to macro scale (classical/ Newtonian) it doesn’t appear to do so in any meaningful way. Not trying to argue or detract, just specifying.

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I may suppose that some here could be still interested in the good old classic ‘The Tao of Physics’ by Fritjof Capra. Some may say that it’s not a good introduction to phisics and nor to taoism, but it is very deeply involving. I read it when I was 18 and it has been like an enlightment :joy::joy:

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But the state of my analog 4 since the probability function was added in new firmware, increased my understanding of quantum mechanics. Each trig becomes a super position of itself. Sort of probability wave which collapses each time you hear it. Is that a micro/or macro scale?

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Oh … let’s discuss this for fun … because it does indeed … it’s not a quantum physics phenomenon only … just let consider the simple example of measuring a temperature with a classical thermometer …

The temperature of a pot of hot water shall be measured. To do this, we insert a classical simple thermometer, which will typically be much colder than the water. The thermometer has a fluid inside (alcohol or old-school mercury). The fluid will take energy from the water to expand its volume, and finally, when thermal equilibrium is reached, points on the scale to the temperature written there.

The energy taken by the thermometer is not measured as the heat energy of the water, but it is now stored in the “expansion of fluid volume”. This change might be small, but it is not zero, and if the value is large enough, we have a classical error of measurement :wink:

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Haha. Fair point. In this case the thermometer is measuring the temperature of itself and the water combined. Interesting. Since temperature is a kinetic average I guess any immersive measurement would do that, wouldn’t it? It’s significance would depend on the volume of the substance being measured and/or the difference in temperature between the substance and the thermometer. Pot of boiling water versus the ocean for example.
You could use an ir thermometer in some cases which interact less but are more limited in application and in many cases less accurate since they measure the thermal radiation.
I didn’t mean to imply a zero impact by measurement, just low significance. You’re right though, some measurements will impact the subject and this is a great example.

Like a couple people mentioned here, vibration is at the source of the creation in most Yogic and Tantric view.

In Sufism, music, is the way to connect back to our own vibration, the musician therefor is tuning him/herself to the listener to create vibration that will help his/her audience to connect back to this one frequency.

It is said that from the original frequency, light comes and from light, matter come, the heavier the primordial vibration is the more it creates. It’s also quite close to the string theory, where this initial vibration would be the foundation of everything.

You can check out this book, it’s quite inspiring and really put the musician in a different position, from this ‘entertainer’ westerner view, to this ‘bridge between realities’ of an eastern view.

It actually helped me a lot defining more why I like playing music so much!

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Your comment got me thinking. I might mix things up here. Tesla was definitely on the ‘everything vibrates’ side, but the connection to people might have been made by someone else.

Please don’t send the internet police :wink:

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In JR Tolkien’s world (LOTR & stuff) the world is a song being sung. Evil and suffering is a disharmony in the melody.

I think it was Nils Bohr who said that if you think you understand quantum physics, you don’t understand quantum physics.

And look at us now. Thank you A4 :slight_smile:

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It would have been cool. Internet policing isn’t my bailiwick.

Beautiful reference there and just to add, that the word used for God in Arabic (to be found in the Quran but also in Arabic versions of the Bible) is Allah, which is a composite of the definite article “Al-“ and the word “Lah” which has no direct translation, but its sound reflects vastness, vibration, continuation. It’s hard to write these words without implying that the word IS that, which then would be a reduction. I’ll let that stand this way.

And according to the Sufist scholar Neil-Douglas Kotz, the Aramaic word that Jesus used to speak of God was “Ahlam Shayek” which translates into:

A - the beginning
Hlam - that which vibrates
Shayek - that which manifests from itself

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